Hi Father Vladimir, Thanks for the reply.
Is there any way to make the breve be centered for the "recitative"? Thank you so much! Michael Dykes -- Sent with Tutanota, enjoy secure & ad-free emails. Oct 28, 2022, 11:01 by lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org: > Send lilypond-user mailing list submissions to > lilypond-user@gnu.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lilypond-user-ow...@gnu.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of lilypond-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Knute Snortum) > 2. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Andrew Bernard) > 3. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Andrew Bernard) > 4. Re: Recitative in Chant music (Vladimír Slávik) > 5. Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX (Valentin Petzel) > 6. Re: Recitative in Chant music (Fr. Samuel Springuel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:38:03 -0700 > From: Knute Snortum <ksnor...@gmail.com> > To: Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> > Cc: Lily Pond <lilypond-user@gnu.org> > Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX > Message-ID: > <calmejxsnqoacuqqu3qvv+quzauavzeg99x31vlurdzznfgz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 5:27 PM Kenneth Wolcott > <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> HI; >> >> This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page >> implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me, >> SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX. >> >> See attached screenshot. >> >> Thanks, >> Ken Wolcott >> > > Linux stands for "Linux is not UNIX eXactly". ;) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 19:54:02 +1100 > From: Andrew Bernard <andrew.bern...@mailbox.org> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX > Message-ID: <f45d1248-fb20-6eae-3a29-7c54eb98c...@mailbox.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > While we are here, it's macOS not MacOS, believe it or not. > > Wikipedia: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS > > *macOS* (/ˌmækoʊˈɛs/ > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English>;^[8] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#cite_note-8> previously *OS X* and > originally *Mac OS X*) is a Unix <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix> > operating system^[9] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#cite_note-9> > developed and marketed by Apple Inc. > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.> since 2001. > > > [And amusingly the Wikipedia convention for URL's forces them to have a > capital M.] > > [And also, note macOS is classified as a UNIX operating system - which > it is.] > > Andrew > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/attachments/20221028/73d4a4dd/attachment.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 19:55:41 +1100 > From: Andrew Bernard <andrew.bern...@mailbox.org> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX > Message-ID: <04dd9ea3-9da1-8902-99cd-130f4c248...@mailbox.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > We can have a field day of fun with this topic! It's actually GNU/Linux > not Linux, something RMS never tires of pointing out. And since Lilypond > is part of the GNU project we should probably get this right. > > Andrew > > > On 28/10/2022 11:25 am, Kenneth Wolcott wrote: > >> HI; >> >> This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page >> implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me, >> SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX. >> >> See attached screenshot. >> >> Thanks, >> Ken Wolcott >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 12:06:34 +0200 > From: Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladi...@seznam.cz> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Recitative in Chant music > Message-ID: <faf9601f-a81b-8751-c378-a6f6f5fb4...@seznam.cz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi Michael, > Admittedly I'm not that good with lilypond and then I'm familiar mostly > with Roman catholic music as written here (cz), but perhaps that can > help you a bit with the direction. > > What I have seen done in psalms and thus do in these situations is make > the recitative note a breve. So I make the whole thing a cadenza, then > use explicit lengths for all the lyrics, and have a breve there. See > below for an example. > > The one thing that is not really a given, just a convention in the > literature I have seen, is that it's a breve. You could just use another > quarter for the "long part" and the lyrics and it's all the same to > Lilypond. > > Arguably typing in all the lengths for all the lyrics is a lot of work, > but personally I've found that preferable to littering the lyrics with > directives to alter lengths. I have also never (never, ever) succeeded > in making the lilypond "guessing" right for the lyrics lengths. > > If you make the whole work a cadenza, you have to also mark the bar ends > manually. > > To make the chord show "only at the beginning", you need to align the > lyrics left. You can do it once for each breve, but following my > approach of "not littering the data with programming", I just align > everything. > > Others will perhaps help correct if there's anything wrong with this > approach? For me, it worked well this far :-) > > Best, > Vladimir > > > \version "2.18.2" > > \layout { > \context { > \Lyrics > \consists "Bar_engraver" > \consists "Separating_line_group_engraver" > \hide BarLine > \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT > } > } > > noTime = \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f > > right_hand = \relative c' { > \key c \major > \clef treble > \language "deutsch" > \noTime > \autoBeamOff > \accidentalStyle forget > \cadenzaOn > > c4 d4 e\breve e4 f2 f4~ e2 \bar "|" > > %(...more music) > > \cadenzaOff > } > > words = \lyricmode { > \set stanza = "1. " > Some4 words4 "that have something real"\breve -- ly4 long2 he4 -- re.2 > > %(... more lyrics) > } > > staff = \new PianoStaff << > \new Staff \right_hand > \new Lyrics \words > %(...) > >> > > \score { > \staff > } > > Note that this is a simplified example, so might not compile as-is. > > > > Dne 25.10.2022 v 23:45 thedoctor81877--- via LilyPond user discussion > napsal(a): > >> Hi, >> >> I have another question pleae. I have typeset several Orthodox >> liturgical music chant settings. Before, I would type out every >> sylable of the music even where there is a "recitative" (several word >> on the same chord. >> >> However, I have a score somone had sent me, that, for the recitative >> parts, prints only the chord at the beginning of the recitative, and >> the chord at the end. For the exmample I was sent, only the altoWords >> line. >> >> But, I am not sure how to use this, and am working on mastering it; >> and could use some help please. Here is part of what I have: >> >> sopMusic = \relative c'' { >> % Music follows here. >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4) >> g'4 g a2(b) g4 g g a b c2 \bar"" >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4) >> b4 b \bar"" >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 5/4) >> a2 g2 \bar"" >> } >> >> altoMusic = \relative c'' { >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4) >> d4 d fs2(g) g4 g g g g g2 \bar"" >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4) >> g4 g \bar"" >> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4/4) >> fs2 d2 \bar"" >> } >> >> altoWords = \lyricmode { >> When the stone __ had been sealed by the Jews, >> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT >> while_the_soldiers_were_guar -- ding_Thy_most -- pure >> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #CENTER >> Bo -- dy. >> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT >> >> >> } >> >> So. the recitative should have: >> >> "While the soldiers .. most-pure" >> >> and Bod--y for the last two half-notes. Also, I seem to have 2 extra >> g4 in the alto line for the recitative. >> >> I am not sure how to change and adress this; I have been trying to >> change the underlines and such in the lyrics but to no avail. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael D >> >> -- >> Sent with Tutanota, enjoy secure & ad-free emails. >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:04:30 +0200 > From: Valentin Petzel <valen...@petzel.at> > To: Lily Pond <lilypond-user@gnu.org> > Cc: Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: another minor quibble: Lilypond really isn't supported on > UNIX; Linux and MacOS, not UNIX > Message-ID: <4753411.GXAFRqVoOG@archbox> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Ken, > > Lilypond should in fact be supported on Unix, even if no one makes the effort > to get it and all the dependencies running. But Lilypond is available on Unix- > Derivates and Unixoids (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, macOS and you > probably would be able to get it to work on many others like Solaris or HP- > UX). > > Valentin > > Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2022, 02:25:56 CEST schrieb Kenneth Wolcott: > >> HI; >> >> This is just a tiny quibble, but the Lilypond Download web page >> implies support for UNIX (which implies, at least to me, >> SunOS/Solaris, HP-UX, IBM/AIX, etc), where Linux really isn't UNIX. >> >> See attached screenshot. >> >> Thanks, >> Ken Wolcott >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 833 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: > <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/attachments/20221028/26b2eb22/attachment.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 11:00:57 -0400 > From: "Fr. Samuel Springuel" <rpspring...@gmail.com> > To: Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladi...@seznam.cz> > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Recitative in Chant music > Message-ID: <4e1f2b6a-3e67-449b-ae00-374e06708...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My mostly automated solution for recited notes is attached. > > ✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝✝ > Fr. Samuel, OSB > (R. Padraic Springuel) > St. Anselm’s Abbey > 4501 South Dakota Ave, NE > Washington, DC, 20017 > 202-269-2300 > (c) 202-853-7036 > > PAX ☧ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: recite.ily > Type: application/octet-stream > Size: 5586 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/attachments/20221028/25ae5a1b/attachment.obj> > -------------- next part -------------- > >> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:06 AM, Vladimír Slávik <slavik.vladi...@seznam.cz> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Michael, >> Admittedly I'm not that good with lilypond and then I'm familiar mostly with >> Roman catholic music as written here (cz), but perhaps that can help you a >> bit with the direction. >> >> What I have seen done in psalms and thus do in these situations is make the >> recitative note a breve. So I make the whole thing a cadenza, then use >> explicit lengths for all the lyrics, and have a breve there. See below for >> an example. >> >> The one thing that is not really a given, just a convention in the >> literature I have seen, is that it's a breve. You could just use another >> quarter for the "long part" and the lyrics and it's all the same to Lilypond. >> >> Arguably typing in all the lengths for all the lyrics is a lot of work, but >> personally I've found that preferable to littering the lyrics with >> directives to alter lengths. I have also never (never, ever) succeeded in >> making the lilypond "guessing" right for the lyrics lengths. >> >> If you make the whole work a cadenza, you have to also mark the bar ends >> manually. >> >> To make the chord show "only at the beginning", you need to align the lyrics >> left. You can do it once for each breve, but following my approach of "not >> littering the data with programming", I just align everything. >> >> Others will perhaps help correct if there's anything wrong with this >> approach? For me, it worked well this far :-) >> >> Best, >> Vladimir >> >> >> \version "2.18.2" >> >> \layout { >> \context { >> \Lyrics >> \consists "Bar_engraver" >> \consists "Separating_line_group_engraver" >> \hide BarLine >> \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT >> } >> } >> >> noTime = \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f >> >> right_hand = \relative c' { >> \key c \major >> \clef treble >> \language "deutsch" >> \noTime >> \autoBeamOff >> \accidentalStyle forget >> \cadenzaOn >> >> c4 d4 e\breve e4 f2 f4~ e2 \bar "|" >> >> %(...more music) >> >> \cadenzaOff >> } >> >> words = \lyricmode { >> \set stanza = "1. " >> Some4 words4 "that have something real"\breve -- ly4 long2 he4 -- re.2 >> >> %(... more lyrics) >> } >> >> staff = \new PianoStaff << >> \new Staff \right_hand >> \new Lyrics \words >> %(...) >> >> >> >> \score { >> \staff >> } >> >> Note that this is a simplified example, so might not compile as-is. >> >> >> >> Dne 25.10.2022 v 23:45 thedoctor81877--- via LilyPond user discussion >> napsal(a): >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have another question pleae. I have typeset several Orthodox liturgical >>> music chant settings. Before, I would type out every sylable of the music >>> even where there is a "recitative" (several word on the same chord. >>> >>> However, I have a score somone had sent me, that, for the recitative parts, >>> prints only the chord at the beginning of the recitative, and the chord at >>> the end. For the exmample I was sent, only the altoWords line. >>> >>> But, I am not sure how to use this, and am working on mastering it; and >>> could use some help please. Here is part of what I have: >>> >>> sopMusic = \relative c'' { >>> % Music follows here. >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4) >>> g'4 g a2(b) g4 g g a b c2 \bar"" >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4) >>> b4 b \bar"" >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 5/4) >>> a2 g2 \bar"" >>> } >>> >>> altoMusic = \relative c'' { >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 13/4) >>> d4 d fs2(g) g4 g g g g g2 \bar"" >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 2/4) >>> g4 g \bar"" >>> \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4/4) >>> fs2 d2 \bar"" >>> } >>> >>> altoWords = \lyricmode { >>> When the stone __ had been sealed by the Jews, >>> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT >>> while_the_soldiers_were_guar -- ding_Thy_most -- pure >>> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #CENTER >>> Bo -- dy. >>> \once \override LyricText.self-alignment-X = #LEFT >>> >>> >>> } >>> >>> So. the recitative should have: >>> >>> "While the soldiers .. most-pure" >>> >>> and Bod--y for the last two half-notes. Also, I seem to have 2 extra g4 in >>> the alto line for the recitative. >>> >>> I am not sure how to change and adress this; I have been trying to change >>> the underlines and such in the lyrics but to no avail. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Michael D >>> >>> -- >>> Sent with Tutanota, enjoy secure & ad-free emails. >>> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > ------------------------------ > > End of lilypond-user Digest, Vol 239, Issue 82 > ********************************************** >
