I suspect we might be saying the same thing, Valentin? I was saying infix can be a bit awkward if you want 'pianist' chord fingering (just a stack of numbers above or below), and that your original <c d g>-1-2-3 reads quite nicely (as in: it's easy to see in your head what you will get in the engraving just by looking at the source). So a keyboard person wouldn't want to use infix, I don't think
Whereas a guitar person might find it more attractive to use <c-1 d-2 g-3> because it's easier to keep it straight in your head what fingers you use on what note that way L On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:42 PM Valentin Petzel <valen...@petzel.at> wrote: > No, not nescessarily. If we want all Fingerings on top or below there is > no real benefit of doing the chord thing. In fact doing that leads to the > exact same issue of the fingering for d being next to the other ones. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > 21.02.2022 12:38:40 Luca Fascione <l.fasci...@gmail.com>: > > But wouldn't you finger that as <c-1 d-2 g-3>? (Didn't check the number, > I'm just meaning going infix vs postfix) > > I can see that this idea of mine does have issues for fingering your way > around (which seems to me it's more of a fingering atop thing, like you > would have in a keyboard score) > > L > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 12:32 Valentin Petzel, <valen...@petzel.at> wrote: > >> Hello Luca, >> >> changing the X-parent to the NoteHead would mean that we are aligning the >> Fingering horizontally wrt. the NoteHead instead of the whole NoteColumn. >> This >> would then mean that if for example due to some chord some note heads are >> on >> the other side of the Stem the alignment of something like <c d g>-1-2-3 >> would >> change (disregarding that it wouldn’t even be clear what note head to >> use). >> >> Cheers, >> Valentin >> >> Am Montag, 21. Februar 2022, 09:19:30 CET schrieb Luca Fascione: >> > Hi Thomas, >> > thanks for your comment, this helps me refine my understanding of >> what's >> > going on. >> > >> > At the same time, while I do see that for other articulations (fermata, >> > appoggiato) this parenting scheme works very well, >> > I remain wondering whether for the style of layout of the fingering >> > indications that I am after, the appropriate thing to do could be to >> change >> > the parenting altogether. >> > >> > If we look at chord for a second, I see the <one-note-chord> thing as a >> > trick because to me even for proper chords the whole FingeringColumn >> idea >> > is also a weird concept: imagine you're in say C major, and you're >> laying >> > out fingering on the left of a chord like Fm <f aes c'>: I'm very >> unclear >> > whether the most readable solution is to have the fingerings stacked >> one >> > atop each other in a column (thereby more distant from f and c because >> of >> > the intervening flat on the aes) or if instead the fingerings on f and >> c >> > should be set tighter to their corresponding note heads and just the >> aes >> > fingering be displaced left horizontally, to allow for the flat. I >> would >> > like to experiment with various possibilities there, visually. I >> suppose >> > you could still displace horizontally inside the column, and then push >> it >> > all inwards closer to the chord even if the bboxes will overlap a >> bit... I >> > anticipate issues such as making sure the fingering for c' doesn't >> > interfer with the ascender on the flat glyph, also. >> > >> > Which brings me to a question: what consequence would it have to >> replace >> > the X-parent and Y-parent of the fingering to be the NoteHead instead? >> > (I guess there will be a need to deal with the accidentals at a >> minimum) >> > And also: how would I go at discovering these consequences without >> using >> > too much of you guys' time? >> > >> > Thanks again, >> > Luca >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:22 AM Thomas Morley <thomasmorle...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> > wrote: >> > > Am So., 20. Feb. 2022 um 22:41 Uhr schrieb Luca Fascione < >> > > >> > > l.fasci...@gmail.com>: >> > > > a) I'm looking for a way to get the fingerings where I want them >> > > > without >> > > > >> > > > using one-note-chord tricks >> > > >> > > Well, for Fingerings not in chord, like b-1 or <b dis'>-2-1 X-parent >> > > is NoteColumn _not_ NoteHead, Y-parent is VerticalAxisGroup. >> > > There is no direct way from NoteHead to Fingering and vice versa. >> > > >> > > Thus putting Fingering in-chord is unavoidable, imho, even for single >> > > notes. >> > > It is _not_ a trick, but a requirement. >> > > >> > > Furthermore, you say you set music for classical guitar, then chords >> > > will happen anyway, although not in your example. >> > > Please note, as soon as more than one in-chord Fingering is present a >> > > FingeringColumn is created. Which will make things even more >> > > complicated. >> > > See >> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6125 >> > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/732 >> > > >> > > Sorry to be of not more help, >> > > >> > > Harm >> >>
