Thanks, Knute. I missed the part about \shape that it can take multiple
sets of control points. Clearly I did not read that NR entry carefully
enough!
I am surprised to hear that Lilypond's default is standard in this case,
since I haven't found examples of this in published works, and I have
found a bunch of cases where broken ties intersect the accidental. But
I'm happy to defer to others with much more experience than I have. :)
-David
Knute Snortum <ksnor...@gmail.com> writes:
> I think it is the slur that is lower, not the accidental that is
> higher, and I think its placement is correct according to "convention"
> (or Gould), but if you want to change the shape of a slur broken over
> two systems, you can use the \shape command:
>
> \version "2.22.1"
> \include "english.ly"
>
> slurShapeA = \shape #'(
> ((0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)) % leave the
> first broken slur alone
> ((0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1)) % Change
> the height without changing the shape
> ) Slur
>
> \layout {
> line-width = #50
> indent = #0
> }
>
> \relative c'
> {
> \clef "bass"
> \time 3/4
> s4 s e ~ | %1
> \break
> e^\markup{"tie"} r e( | %2
> \break
> e^\markup{"slur"}) r ef ~ | %3
> \break
> ef^\markup{"tie"} r \slurShapeA ef( | % 4
> \break
> ef^\markup{"slur"}) % 5
> }
>
>
> --
> Knute Snortum
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 6:34 PM David Zelinsky <dzp...@dedekind.net> wrote:
>>
>> When a tie on an accidental is split over two systems, Lilypond shows
>> the accidental on both notes (which I think is correct), but then
>> positions the tie on the second note very high, so as to clear the
>> accidental. This looks wrong, since ties are generally supposed to be
>> close to the note head, and in particular closer to the note head than a
>> slur would be. But when there's a slur in this same circumstance,
>> Lilypond sets the slur on the second note lower than for a tie, allowing
>> it to intersect the accidental.
>>
>> Was this a design choice? Is it a standard thing in engraving? I don't
>> have a good reference (e.g. Gould) in which to look this up. I just
>> think it seems wrong.
>>
>> And if I wanted to change it, to lower the tie on the second note, how
>> would I do that? I don't thing \shape will work in this situation,
>> since how would it know which part of the tie I'm talking about?
>>
>> See snippet below. Screen shot is attached.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>> \version "2.22.1"
>> \include "english.ly"
>>
>> \layout {
>> line-width = #50
>> indent = #0
>> }
>>
>> \relative c'
>> {
>> \clef "bass"
>> \time 3/4
>> s4 s e ~ | %1
>> \break
>> e^\markup{"tie"} r e( | %2
>> \break
>> e^\markup{"slur"}) r ef ~ | %3
>> \break
>> ef^\markup{"tie"} r ef( | % 4
>> \break
>> ef^\markup{"slur"}) % 5
>> }
>>
>>
