> I don't find that Tie supports 'positions. Strange.
Seeing Gould's advice it's not so surprising. On the other hand, I'm actually in favor of adding it, for very special situations. > You could do this with \shape used as a tweak. Roughly: > > \relative c' { > \clef "alto" d'2 \shape #'((0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . -2)) ~ > \clef "treble" d2 > } Very nice, thanks! Werner