David,

By placed I simply meant that the creator of the final document has to
incorporate the music into their document using their preferred editing
tool (I don't even know what it is, PageMaker, Publisher, etc.). They are
also not well-verserd in the use of image files, etc. and their
understanding of how dragging object handles affects final clarity is less
than optimal. They know what they know.

I'm trying to help them understand that my score output can work in their
document with as little (hopefully even NO) modification on their part. One
way is to show them that the music as engraved will "fit" on their pages as
is and having an output file that shows them the boundaries of their page
and margins will help them, hopefully and literally, see that this is so. I
can set modify my output in various sizes, yet all "within the box" and
they can make decisions about which output is best for use (I've actually
created five different output files changing #(set-global-staff-size 12)
for each.

Right now I'm giving them PDF. I can as easily give them other image
formats (which I have done in the past) to be incorporated into their
document.

And I mistyped my original. It is not "start 1.5" from top *margin*" but
from "top of page".

Thanks for your reply.

Guy

Guy Stalnaker
jimmyg...@gmail.com

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:22 PM, David Wright <lily...@lionunicorn.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Thu 06 Apr 2017 at 10:33:03 (-0500), Guy Stalnaker wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I've done a search for this in the documentation and list archives, but
> > because the only terms I can think to search with (line, box, draw) are
> so
> > common, I cannot get useful results.
>
> You may also be looking for a workflow which will depend on what
> tools you are comfortable with or involve least learning.
>
> > What I want to do is put a box, visually, around the engraved score, but
> > independent of the engraved score. There will be two boxes, one (dashed
> or
> > dotted) representing the margins of the document, and another .25" larger
> > that represents a paper-size (this has to do with providing engraved
> music
> > output that will be placed on non-standard sized paper by another
> person).
> > The boxes show them where their margins/paper is on the engraving to
> allow
> > them a sense for how much space the score will consume in their final
> > document.
>
> What do you mean by "placed". Do you mean they're printing the
> document or just cutting the paper at some marks? If the former,
> what type of file do you give them? PDF, powerpoint, word?
>
> > This is basically four straight lines, two horizontal and two vertical
> but
> > with reference to absolute page positioning, e.g., Line1: start 1.5" down
> > from top margin and 1" in from left margin and draw horizontal for 7.5",
> > Line2: start 1.5" down from top margin and 1" in from left margin and
> draw
> > down 8.0", etc.. Everything that I've seen thus far are markup of some
> kind
> > that are entered in reference to the score or, with the Notation
> Reference
> > entries for \draw-hline for example, only seem to draw a line wherever
> the
> > markup is place and not at an absolute position.
> >
> > I can, of course, output to png, open png in image editor and add the
> boxes
> > manually, but it would be easier :-) to do this in lilypond. Maybe.
>
> I would avoid using PNG. It's a rasterised format, so you could
> have resolution issues.
>
> I have ideas, but they're entirely dependent on what the next link
> in your process is.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
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