From: Mike Solomon <m...@meeshkan.com> Date: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 12:27 PM To: "janek.lilyp...@gmail.com" <janek.lilyp...@gmail.com>, "pkx1...@gmail.com" <pkx1...@gmail.com>, "d...@gnu.org" <d...@gnu.org>, "karlinh...@gmail.com" <karlinh...@gmail.com>, "jonas.hahnf...@gmail.com" <jonas.hahnf...@gmail.com>, Carl Sorensen <c_soren...@byu.edu>, "david.nales...@gmail.com" <david.nales...@gmail.com> Cc: "lilypond-devel@gnu.org" <lilypond-devel@gnu.org>, "re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com" <re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com> Subject: Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by janek.lilyp...@gmail.com)
On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: That's a really good point and I see where Carl and David N are coming from. It seems like a Code of Conduct is not a good fit at this time. More people in the community would need to come around to the idea for it to work. Maybe what I'll do is touch base in a few months and see if any opinions have changed, including of course my own. In the meantime, I would encourage people to reflect on LilyPond's shrinking number of contributions and developers and consider if a lack of a code of conduct could be one of the reasons it is difficult to grow. As a benchmark, one good place to look is the Contributors Covenant website. There is a list of communities that have implemented it. Ask the maintainers how they feel about it, cite the concerns brought up here, and ask if they feel it could, from their outsider perspective, be helpful for LilyPond. I know that, personally, I have really appreciated the code of conduct in projects that I have contributed to since leaving LilyPond development. I have also appreciated the relative ideological and demographic diversity of those projects, which has introduced me to perspectives about race and gender that are lacking in the LilyPond community. It could of course also be the case that people are happy with the status quo in LilyPond, in which case it (or other things to grow the community in size and inclusivity) are not necessary. I personally am saddened by my own leaving, the leaving of others, the lack of growth and the lack of diversity, and this is one proposal to start changing it, but I understand the objections. I’d be open to having my mind changed. I think that the LilyPond community is poorer when Mike is not participating in it. Mike, do you have any specific occurrences that caused you or others to stop participating in LilyPond development, and that you feel would be resolved (or resolvable) by adopting a code of conduct? I’d be very interested in hearing them (preferably on the list, if you’re comfortable sharing them; or in private, if you’re not). In your writing I sense that you have some troubles with the LilyPond community to which I am oblivious. It’s not uncommon that I would be oblivious to such troubles. I’d like to know more about them. I think it very unlikely that implementing a Code of Conduct would draw large numbers of new contributors to the project. I can’t imagine that there are large numbers of people running around saying “I’m looking for a project with a code of conduct to contribute to.” On the other hand, it’s not unlikely that there are problems in the LilyPond community that I have not noticed, and that adopting a Code of Conduct might draw previous contributors who noticed problems back in to the LilyPond community. I need to understand the problem before I’m going to be in favor of a change. I’d love to be educated (this is a serious statement) about the problems that I haven’t noticed. Thanks, Carl
