On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Joe Neeman <[email protected]> wrote: > If the archives were public, it might deter people from speaking frankly.
I understand; however having public archives is also something important for the project's history. The best compromise I could come up with would be to make discussions public after a number of years. Again, this looks to me like a thing from the past: when considering a project in its infancy, or at least where people stay the same year after year, public archives are quite dispensable. Once you've reached a point where the development team is gradually renewed and few (if any) of the original developers are still around, this question has to be raised sooner or later. > Obviously, everyone knows by now that we've had a thread discussing David; > had there been public archives (or a plan to make them public in the > future), that conversation would have probably gone off-list. Which defeats > the purpose of having such a list in the first place. That's a interesting example. As far as I can see, David got listed as a LilyPond developer only in late June 2010 (and I'm guessing he didn't have git access much earlier in 2010). If, as has been stated, the only 4 emails on -hackers in 2010 were about "reviving -hackers", then it proves that any earlier discussion you guys might have had regarding David was actually not followed by any concrete action until much later. (Again, I can only guess.) Besides, while I certainly don't want to speak on his behalf, David doesn't strike me as the kind of person who can't take being directly criticized, even in a non-polite way. (I would probably, and do, react a lot more badly in such a situation.) > I doubt anyone objects to having a public list of the -hackers members. If > we do create such a list, it's probably more efficient just to get a list > from the list administrator rather than sleuthing around. Well, as it happens Xavier's original email about "secrete mailing lists" (his words, not mine) was also sent to the -hackers list administrator. However, I have yet to see any answers from him, privately or in this thread. (And, yes, Han-Wen really is a busy man and I can perfectly understand that these questions may seem trivial and uninteresting to him. However, when it comes to "reassurance", a few words go a long way.) > Do you really think that having a private mailing list damages the project? Potentially, yes (it does to me, I'm not sure about others). > That is, assuming that we are open about its existence/purpose/whatever? Then it would make quite a difference. This "openness", or rather the need for it, is precisely why we're having this conversation! Thanks for the thorough conversation. Valentin. _______________________________________________ lilypond-devel mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel
