If it's of any value, my employer (Bloomberg) handles our trademarks similarly, and would welcome this small change to the Apache license.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:26 PM Langley, Stuart <stuart.lang...@disney.com> wrote: > > Thank you. The rationale is that in a company like ours (Disney in this > case, but others obviously would share this concern) trademarks are a > fundamental value of the company. We license marks very intentionally and > are not comfortable with constraining trademark use only by “reasonable and > customary” as that is 1) subject to interpretation by licensees, and 2) may > change over time. > > > > There are many other licenses that do not grant trademark rights at all, but > we couldn’t find one that is as complete or consistent with our preferences > as Apache. > > > > > > > > From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@lists.opensource.org] > On Behalf Of McCoy Smith > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:30 PM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Modified Apache License > > > > You probably want to explain the rationale for your changes in the language, > which in redline would look like this: > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade names, > trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor and its > affiliates, except as required for reasonable and customary use in describing > the origin of the Work to comply with Section 4(c) of the License and to > reproduce reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. > > > > From: License-discuss <license-discuss-boun...@lists.opensource.org> On > Behalf Of Langley, Stuart > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 3:48 PM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: [License-discuss] Modified Apache License > > > > Hello all, this is my first attempt at posting something new so we’ll see how > it goes. > > > > Disney has been using a modified Apache license to release software. We have > not yet sought OSI recognition of this modification. I’ve been hesitant to > present this for consideration because the modifications are so minor. The > concern is that the Apache 2.0 is too ambiguous for our taste about trademark > rights. The modified language is: > > > > Amending Apache license language & file headers. New text: Copyright 20XX > <INSERT BUSINESS ENTITY>Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the > "Apache License")with the following modification; you may not use this file > except incompliance with the Apache License and the following modification to > it: > > Section 6. Trademarks. is deleted and replaced with:6. Trademarks. This > License does not grant permission to use the tradenames, trademarks, service > marks, or product names of the Licensor and its affiliates, except as > required to comply with Section 4(c) of the License and to reproduce the > content of the NOTICE file. You may obtain a copy of the Apache License > athttp://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0Unless required by applicable > law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the Apache > License with the above modification is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, > WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANYKIND, either express or implied. > See the Apache License for the specific language governing permissions and > limitations under the Apache License. > > > > I would appreciate your thoughts. The distinction about trademarks is > important to us, and should be to others who are concerned about losing > control of their trademarks to “reasonable and customary” use allowed by > Apache 2.0. Would a license like this be a valuable enough distinction from > Apache 2.0 to merit a separate license? > > > > Stuart T. Langley > > _______________________________________________ > The opinions expressed in this email are those of the sender and not > necessarily those of the Open Source Initiative. Official statements by the > Open Source Initiative will be sent from an opensource.org email address. > > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@lists.opensource.org > http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org _______________________________________________ The opinions expressed in this email are those of the sender and not necessarily those of the Open Source Initiative. Official statements by the Open Source Initiative will be sent from an opensource.org email address. License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@lists.opensource.org http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org
