On 8/23/2019 1:23 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:

Roger Fujii wrote:
> Now I'm confused.    Are you saying there is no "fair use" when the target is software?   While one can weaken" fair use" via the license, is this a good idea for OSI to support this?

Fair use always remains a legitimate defense to copyright infringement. But it is a poor basis for claiming rights to use and distribute software for commercial purposes. There are many limits to fair use that courts will analyze after you admit to infringement. It seldom results in forgiveness.

/Larry

Now I am even more confused.   If fair use is a legitimate defense (one could call this a 'right'), then there must be /some/ modifications that one can make that would be covered by "fair use" (I know things get complicated when there is any distribution, so leave that out of the time being).   I get your point that in order to invoke "fair use" that there must be an infringement first, but I think Russell McOrmond is saying that if "fair use" would apply, then it should not even be an infringement in the first place.

Seeing as this is a chicken/egg problem, I think a good way out is for the people with licenses where this is an issue at least spell out they they think constitutes "fair use" in regards to the license or that there are no "fair use" cases, and OSI should come to a position on "fair use".

Roger Fujii

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