Bruce Perens wrote:
> There is no problem if it's a request rather than a requirement. One can hope
> that scientific ethics applies....
Bruce, I think you go too far. A request to be ethical isn't enough. It is,
however, reasonable to demand this:
Licensee must display the name and source of the embedded software in as
prominent a manner and place as the licensee displays its own trademarks.
If the licensee doesn't like that license requirement, it won't get a license
to the software. That is no more onerous than copyleft.
Our job is to approve licenses that experiment successfully (?) with new
license models, not to keep rejecting ways to obtain profit and recognition
from software. Let us leave it up to the marketplace to determine acceptability
of the license, as long as it is "open source software."
/Larry
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Of Bruce Perens
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Open source license with obligation to display
an attribution?
There is no problem if it's a request rather than a requirement. One can hope
that scientific ethics applies to the kind of folks who make SAAS out of your
software.
Thanks
Bruce
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 11:54 AM <simon....@csiro.au <mailto:simon....@csiro.au>
> wrote:
[Apologies - I subscribed in digest mode so my response to your initial
comments was not threaded, and this won't be either - fixed now.]
I guess what we are after is what you have referred to as a 'gesture'. Probably
shouldn't have used the term 'obligation' in the subject line - I've been
looking at the ODRL model, so am used to thinking in terms of
permissions/restrictions/obligations.
I'm fully aware that - as with pretty much all IP law - enforcement is up to
us, so there is always a scalability challenge. But mention within a license
at least provides a starting point. In my initial post it appeared that I was
jumping to a solution prior to laying out the requirement, so I attempted to
clarify the use-case in a follow-up message.
What would make our bosses happy (and thus willing to continue to support our
contributions) would be: where a site uses our product as the primary basis for
a publicly-available service, that a gesture of acknowledgment is
publicly-visible. In non-legal English something like "if you use this software
as the primary basis for a service with a publicly visible UI, even if under a
new skin, whatever, then please acknowledge us on or around your landing page.
Our preference would be that you display [this logo] with a link to [our
webpage]".
A standard-ish formulation would be nice.
Simon J D Cox
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