Hi all, So if i understand correctly, developers are dumb people, talking only to its computer, and marketer have the privilege to speak to real user... Well, all the day, i speak to real user, and all say that marketers talk non sense about Microsoft compatibility... I wonder how to solve daily cognitive dissonnance * <https://context.reverso.net/traduction/anglais-francais/cognitive+dissonance>* Just kidding
Cheers, Régis Perdreau Le jeu. 6 avr. 2023 à 23:00, Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco <gbpach...@gmail.com> a écrit : > Hi, Nigel, Ben, Eyal, all! > > Let me add some comments. :) > > For sure, the current approach is a requirement for our internal > development organization, as Ben noted. Also, it was really important in > the first years of LibreOffice/TDF, when we used it to demonstrate we were > ahead of Apache OpenOffice for the users and the strong project/community > we were building. > > On the other hand, for the current moment of LibreOffice as a project and > product, I think we can do more or different things. Nigel wrote > exactly what I mean about 'boring' from the user perspective: most of the > users don't care about minor changes. > > So, I think, now, we should decide about releases with a Marketing > perspective and the number 8 could be a first step to do it, even without > big changes. > > Could it mean we will do a marketing trick? > > I think no, because we will be transparent with our users as we always > have been. If the release won't have big improvements, we won't talk about > big improvements. > > Why release a version without big improvements? > > That is the other point: I don't think we should focus only on big code > improvements to use major version numbers (or even version names). We > aren't only a product. We are a project and community. Indeed, the released > product is our final work but a major version can also be used to spread > (or celebrate) the maturity of the product/project/community. This is a > different approach than paid software/non FLOSS. This is what I mean with > consolidation. > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 8:22 AM Nigel Verity <nigelver...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Gustavo >> >> This is a very good point. >> >> If I see that some software I use regularly has gone from 7.5 to 7.6, >> say, I wouldn't rush to upgrade unless I knew it fixed a problem that >> affected me. I'm pretty sure that I would upgrade from 7.5 to to 8.0 far >> more quickly, if for no other reason that the psychological one of wanting >> to be using what my head tells me must be an improvement over my current >> version. >> >> Of course release notes are available to determine what really has >> changed but I rather suspect that most users never read them. >> >> The discussion of the different motivators for development and marketing >> people is very interesting. When I was a developer neither I nor anybody in >> my teams was ever let anywhere near sales activities - and I think for very >> good reasons. >> >> Cheers >> >> Nige >> >> >> * LibreOffice - Free and open source office suite: LibreOffice Website >> <https://www.libreoffice.org/> * >> * Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data* >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco <gbpach...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* 05 April 2023 22:05 >> *To:* TDF Devs <libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org>; TDF Marketing < >> market...@global.libreoffice.org>; TDF Design < >> des...@global.libreoffice.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Moving >> to LibreOffice 8? >> >> Hi Eyal, all! >> >> I also respectfully disagree with you on some points. ;D >> >> I like the idea to move to 8, even with no big technical innovation (if >> we >> have, for sure it will be better). >> >> IMHO, long sequences of minor releases (7.6, in the current case) are >> getting boring and not important for the users (for both enterprise and >> individual profiles). >> >> I'm not saying that we should embrace the Firefox approach, but thinking >> about Italo's idea (8 <-> infinite), I guess the message of this version >> could be consolidation, not exactly innovation. >> >> Best >> Gustavo >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 4:23 AM Eyal Rozenberg <eyalr...@gmx.com> wrote: >> >> > I respectfully disagree with Italo. >> > >> > First, about the "frame of reference". In my opinion, decisions such as >> > major version number bumping are not, first and foremost, marketing >> > decisions. That is a _consideration_, since the version number is >> > declarative than technical. But - such an action should be "truthful" >> > before being "marketable". >> > >> > It is more important, in my opinion, that users and potential users >> > receive trustworthy signaling from the project - not just w.r.t. version >> > numbers, but generally - than for the media to get a gimmick for >> coverage. >> > >> > A second point is that bumping a version number without a major >> > innovation moves you a few more steps into the category of, say, Firefox >> > and such, where versions just increase automatically with no meaning >> > whatsoever. Italo, you said we are perceived as a "real innovator"; >> > well, when a real innovator starts having hollow version number bumping, >> > that perception fades. >> > >> > Finally, everyone who likes the marketing potential of version 8 - >> > great, but - keep that benefit for when we have a significant step >> > forward to celebrate. Don't squander it. >> > >> > >> > Eyal >> > >> > PS: availability on a new platform is not a reason to bump a version >> > number. It's the "same" software, but built for another target, so same >> > version as before. IMHO anyway. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 27/03/2023 20:11, Italo Vignoli wrote: >> > > Moving to LibreOffice 8 (instead of 7.6) makes sense for marketing >> > > purposes, as media is looking at LibreOffice as the real innovator in >> > > the open source office suite market, and the feeling of journalists is >> > > that we are forever stuck at 7.x. >> > > >> > > We all know that the next version will not include any significant >> > > innovation which can justify the change of version, apart from the new >> > > build system for Windows and the availability of LibreOffice for Arm >> > > processors on Windows (which has not been announced). >> > > >> > > Playing with the number 8, which can be rotated 90° to become the >> > > "infinite" symbol, we can frame the next version as LibreOffice for an >> > > infinite number of users, as we cover all hardware platforms and all >> > > operating systems for personal productivity. >> > > >> > > This is my opinion. If the community wants to stick with 7.6, I won't >> > > insist. I have received enough insults both public and private for the >> > > marketing plan, and I am still receiving them from a few people, that >> I >> > > am not willing to enter into that process again (even if the decision >> on >> > > the "community" tag has not been mine, but it looks like people have a >> > > very short memory). >> > > >> > > Looking forward to your thoughts. >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> > Problems? >> >
