I'm sorry I am not aware of the dynamics within the team. I like the
exchange of ideas, sans insults and negative comments toward the person.
And I agree our opinions are subjective, though we must try to be as
objective as possible.
From a marketing perspective, other than the product's features, we also
consider the context of the users or prospective end-users -- the
market. Italo's suggestion of using the number 8 for the version naming,
I think, is a good idea. Usually, the market only responds to the
campaign once the product is on the roll, though a version rename
without a major or significant addition or change would be a hollow one.
So, it calls for a more balanced approach where the developers and
marketing team collaborate. Thanks, Stephane, for the list of the major
changes to do for the next version.
Thanks!
Kelvene
On 2023-03-30 03:55, Stéphane Guillou wrote:
/(I see that I replied to only one list, so just wanted to include
design and marketing. Sorry for the double-up.)/
Thank you all for sharing your opinion.
Please keep in mind that "a really big jump" or "a major innovation"
will always be very subjective and depend on personal areas of interest
or specialties, and I suspect that we will have dozens of different
opinions (and no agreement) if we ask what constitutes a feature that
is significant enough to warrant a major version number.
Concretely, here is the shortlist of things that, in my _subjective_
opinion, are important in the upcoming version (somewhat similar to
László's):
- availability on all major desktop platforms, including through
official app stores
- advertise availability for ARM processors on Windows
- build baseline bump
- zoom gesture support
- cementing of updated visual identity and improved theming following
the OS's
- improvements in accessibility of documents, including accessibility
checked in sidebar and tagged PDF export by default
- two new languages
- multi-page floating tables
- _maybe_ Skia by default on macOS
- _maybe_ new Windows installer
Waiting for significantly "bigger" (again, very subjective) changes in
LibreOffice is a bit unrealistic, knowing the project grows and has
grown very organically.
In the end, I have no strong opinion about it. I just hope everyone can
remain respectful and understand that sometimes, decisions have to be
made, and I believe the marketing team, after some discussion with the
rest of the TDF team, the Design team and the ESC, are a good fit to
take such decisions, instead of heated conversations filled with
subjective opinions on what feature is or isn't important.
The recent interaction makes me think a year/month versioning scheme is
beneficial in that discussing version bumps will not be needed anymore.
It's definitely not worth getting insulted, and I am sorry Italo had to
be at the receiving end of that. And as Jorge said: let's not get
bogged down into something that is in the end quite trivial.
I do however want to say I appreciate and take note of input from
people like Regina (associating major releases with ODF releases, the
default standard we are proud of), Kelvene (cultural aspect of the
number), David (deciding early on to allow work on more disruptive
projects) and Nigel ("The universal office suite", highlighting our
strength in language and platform support).
Cheers!
On 29/3/23 21:36, Jaron Kuppers wrote:
I agree with Italo that changing to version 8 makes sense and that it
is a marketing decision. Office suite updates that become new version
numbers rarely include much in the way of ground breaking innovation
and waiting for some integration of some new 'ground breaking' feature
does not make sense. Nor does waiting for ODF1.4 which is not a change
in some way unique to LibreOffice. A new version can also be framed
around the plan for that new version. What huge changes are we going
to make during version 8? It does not have to be limited to what
changes warranted a number change. I think universal accessibility
warrants a number change and makes for great marketing.
Italo, the way people talk to you is not okay... know that you have
the respect of many/most community members who trust in your marketing
expertise. Many are quick to speak on a topic they have no formal
training in.
My 2 cents...
Cheers,
Jaron
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 5:14 AM Pedro Rosmaninho
<mota.pr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I would just like to counter what Eyal Rosenberg says. Version number
should be a marketing decision.
But I agree with his points that marketing must consider that major
innovations or missing features should be included with a major number
change otherwise said number change will fall flat.
The number 8 is a great opportunity so it shouldn't be wasted without
having something impactful when it is launched.
Regina Henschel <rb.hensc...@t-online.de> escreveu no dia terça,
28/03/2023
à(s) 15:40:
Hi Italo,
the change from 6.x to 7.0 happens together with the change from
ODF 1.2
to ODF 1.3. If the decision it to keep this kind of numbering, I
think a
change to 8.0 should happen when LibreOffice starts support for
ODF 1.4.
ODF 1.4 will hopefully be released end of 2024.
Kind regards,
Regina
Italo Vignoli schrieb am 27.03.2023 um 19:11:
Moving to LibreOffice 8 (instead of 7.6) makes sense for marketing
purposes, as media is looking at LibreOffice as the real
innovator in
the open source office suite market, and the feeling of
journalists is
that we are forever stuck at 7.x.
We all know that the next version will not include any significant
innovation which can justify the change of version, apart from
the new
build system for Windows and the availability of LibreOffice
for Arm
processors on Windows (which has not been announced).
Playing with the number 8, which can be rotated 90° to become the
"infinite" symbol, we can frame the next version as
LibreOffice for an
infinite number of users, as we cover all hardware platforms
and all
operating systems for personal productivity.
This is my opinion. If the community wants to stick with 7.6,
I won't
insist. I have received enough insults both public and private
for the
marketing plan, and I am still receiving them from a few
people, that I
am not willing to enter into that process again (even if the
decision on
the "community" tag has not been mine, but it looks like
people have a
very short memory).
Looking forward to your thoughts.
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