>       Are the free Windows debugging tools:
>       http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg463009 
>       any good ?

Sure they are. Useful for lower-level debugging where the Visual Studio 
debugger isn't powerful enough. Much closer to gdb-style debugging (even if 
these, too have a kind of GUI). Can be used to debug the kernel even. But they 
have a steep learning curve. (And a correspondingly speedy forgetting curve... 
[points at himself])

>  (or are they even free) ? ;-)

Free as in beer, sure.

>       And/or should we have steps on:
>       http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug 
>       As to how to go about debugging with them ? 

Well, assuming somebody has time to learn how to do that, why not... But I 
wouldn't expect normal users to be able to do it, no matter how good the 
instructions.

There is code inside LO to produce more useful stack traces in crashes on 
Windows, isn't there? Do we (accidentally?) diable that? Do we strip symbols 
from binaries (or don't ship .pdb files) without thinking? How much larger 
would the installer / an installation be on Windows if we shipped symbols and 
made sure backtraces are displayed?

--tml


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