Hi Noel, Josh, all! @ Noel: Thanks for forwarding!
@ Josh: UI designers at work being LibO users? We should definitively meet on the Design Team list ;-) Am Dienstag, den 09.08.2011, 10:31 +0100 schrieb Noel Power: > Forwarding this to the ux-advise list, a better forum I think for > discussion about such changes > > Noel > On 09/08/11 00:45, Josh Heidenreich wrote: > > For a long time I have been annoyed at the "Are you sure you want to > > save as a .DOC" message, as I find the buttons confusing. True, true - I think this issue came up each year twice during the OOo times. As far as I know, there have been numerous attempts to fix the understandability of the buttons ... First, thanks a lot for taking care about that. Although I think the dialog needs a bit more tweaking, it is a step towards the (very) right direction. > > I have made some changes, with the button to show the format name. > > > > Screenshots: > > http://thejosh.info/libreoffice/export_format1.png > > http://thejosh.info/libreoffice/export_format2.png > > > > I have coded a patch, although it's against the old repos. As far as I can see, nothing changed but the button layout and their caption. Right? Unfortunately, I think that: * the (possible) length of the button text, and ... * the stacked button layout (which is never used in LibO that way) will "eat up" the improved understandability of your change. So, what do we have to fill the buttons when exporting (if we want to get back the usual layout)? I assume there are: * the file format description "Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP/2003" format * the file format extension ".doc" Is there something else available within the code/data, e.g. only "Microsoft Word" format? Is there something we can do to limit the length of the buttons? Given the file formats we have, I think 20 characters containing whole words should be sufficient (e.g. for "Microsoft PowerPoint") to cover all major use cases (in English, needs some refinement). Some other things being strange: * I assume that the message "Do you want to save the document in this format anyway?" refers to some older Yes/No buttons. We may update that as well. * People might not know what ODF refers to. Usually they see odt or odc ... if they see that. --> trying to make it the LibreOffice default file format * The "latest" ODF file format is nice, but something for experts - especially since the user may wonder where to set the "latest ODF" file format in this dialog. * The position of the file format description makes the text hard to read - moving it to the end. This leads to ... (non-native English speaker brainstorming) ... ====================================================================== The document may contain formatting or content that cannot be saved in the currently selected file format "Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP/2003". Use the default ODF file format and be sure that the document is saved correctly. [Use Microsoft Word Format] [Use Default ODF Format] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [x] Ask when not saving in ODF format ====================================================================== Is this something which could be turned into reality (=code)? What do you think? Interestingly, the dialog does not provide any further help ... strange. Wondering whether we should ping the documentation team. That said, the most helpful thing (but most difficult) ist to tell people what will be missing exactly in terms of content, features or formatting when exporting documents. Cheers, Christoph _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
