Le 17/05/11 11:24, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Michael,
> And for those complaining about the idea of removing ORB altogether: > doing some work to help out improve the stability of the implementation > sounds like it would be a good plan. Rather than just wishing it was > better, we need (new) developer resource applying to fixing it, with a I think the point that most users are making is that it actually used to work, and was fairly stable, "in previous times". This is what people are concerned about, when they hear that something which used to work and is deemed important to that group of users no longer does because someone else made a change somewhere to another corner of the edifice that is now hard to track down and it is suggested as a result to potentially remove or deactivate that whole feature. It also belies the ease (and a common open source fallacy) with which we are led to believe that changes can be reverted in source code once they have occurred, as you yourself have just stated. The "if you want it fixed, help thyself" mantra only works for a very limited subset of people. I put it to you that those particular people are not the majority of those in the community who followed the project from OOo in the "mirrored" hope of a brighter and better future with LibO. Ignoring the user base at the project's peril and in time the whole thing will become nothing more than a shell for an elite few - or worse, those who have become disenchanted will become the most vociferous opponents of the whole project, and they are often the ones who prescribe or manage IT implementations in companies and administrations. Personally, I don't think users can ever be truly satisfied with software, but one can manage their expectations. Announcements of the kind where one developer says "this is unstable, and it is giving me jip, I would like to get rid of it" when the "it" in question has been part of the whole product for the last 5 years, is necessarily going to elicit wild reactions and passionate speeches from those for whom the "it" has been the cornerstone of their use of the product. Just before I sign off : I have been involved with QA on OOo a long time, and since LibO began, I have been there too triaging bugs in my own, unpaid spare time (as have many others, so I'm not asking for a medal or anything). I have even financially participated in the creation of the Foundation when the donation scheme was underway because I believed that there was hope. As time goes on, and the more I frequent the developer lists, IRC, strategic planning, etc, I see that hope of mine waning - ultimately I am a realist, I have a business to look after, nurture and grow. I will use the tools that work for me, and recommend them to others with the sphere of influence that I command (or not as the case may be, but whatever) - if those tools fail to even maintain the status quo of functionality before I joined this "brave new world", then I will swap them for another which does. That is my pragmatism, that is my business reality, and I am certain that I am not alone. Alex _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
