Hi Octavio, thanks for the great explanation - and also Cor for adding his support concerning the change as well.
Am Freitag, den 21.01.2011, 20:49 -0800 schrieb Octavio Alvarez: > <christ...@dogmatux.com> wrote: [..] > Well, this is not true in LibreOffice anymore. This got implemented in > ooo-build almost one year ago and ported to LibreOffice. See initial > discussion at > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2010-February/000540.html > > and applied patches at > http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/Ct2xycq5ewxra2Ornv8S Oh, good to know - to be honest, I partly relied on the help system. And in a recent LibreOffice build, it still states "and formatting by character styles", see: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MAUtH-sKeCLVDY4rSR4UWw?feat=directlink > > The terminology "Default" is used throughout the office suite. For > > example, the buttons "Default" resets all manual changes of an derived > > style (Stylist). > > Didn't find it. I see "Reset" and "Standard". Is it any of those? Grrr, sorry - you are right. I've referred to "Standard" (Funnily, I used the German version stating "Standard" and translated to "Default" ... a never make assumptions case *g*) > > And "direct" might also be unknown to those users who are unsure what > > "default formatting" is. > > *Exactly*, because this change is NOT for those that don't use styles. > For them, it is a menu item that might as well not be there. This is for > those of us who *know* how to use styles. There is no loss there. > > For us, we know the difference between formatting that is applied by > the style and formatting that works as an override. We call it "hard > formatting" or "direct formatting". What I'm a bit unsure about is, whether the change should support the people "who know", or if it should take care that people "get to know" - just a generic comment. [...] > > The string length will make the menu wider, which gets an issue when the > > English text gets translated into foreign languages. Especially since we > > do have many sub-menus within this menu. Same applies to "Clear All > > Formatting" you are planning to change. > > Of course, sorry about that. :-/ I'll need help here to make the change > as friendly as possible to others. I CC Sophie to ask her how to check that ... Sophie, the subject states the menu item change which may become rather long when translated, and thus, a usability issue for the use of the Format menu. What do you think? [...] > > By the way, it would be great to know some more information where this > > request came from [...] > > See the links above for the "Default Formatting" behavioral change. I can > gladly go further if you request it, but it was to improve functionality. Oh, thanks, the explanation was already quite helpful! > There are two opposite-pulling forces as shown by bugs i#47893 and i#85464 > and each time this gets discussed, there are mixed opinions. Everybody > think differently about this. The proposed rename clarifies what the new > behavior does *exactly* as of today, so that any change follows a common > criteria. > > Links to the referred bugs: > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=85464 > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=47893 Thanks! > This of course doesn't mean that a "Reset paragraph direct + all character" > shouldn't exist. It simply needs to be clearly differentiated, maybe its > own menu entry. True, at the beginning, I worried more about the name change - removing some of the consistency of the suite. Due to the supportive statement by Cor, I'd like you to go ahead. But, our discussion changed my impression a bit - I'm currently thinking about an even "less correct change" to let our less experienced users benefit. Since the users that apply mostly "direct formatting" don't know about the difference of direct/style based formatting, and the ones "who know" do very well ... I'd like to throw in a simple "Clear Formatting". Maybe this is far from what you've intended, and in 50% in all cases I'll regret any statements made after midnight ... so I better shut up ;-) > Best regards. Thanks for the discussion! Kind regards, Christoph _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
