On 9/1/2012 10:15 PM, Ben Sutter wrote: > On 09/01/2012 06:49 PM, Eleanore Boyd wrote: >> On a much more serious note, why are you bashing him for >> condescension when your reply was even worse in that regard? > I'm "bashing" him for not doing his homework. Sometimes condescension is > earned; I didn't jump on him after his first post that should never have > happened in the first place, or the second or third. As for severity, I > disagree. He has a trail of replies on this list, like these... > > Mikie wrote, at various times: > >> what section is this magical step located? > ...rather than using Ctrl-F to search the book for the exact command and > finding it on the first try, no googling required. > >> you must all realize that many of us "Beginners" are just that. >> A lot of people who are experts at something forget what it's like to > be a beginner. > >> The fact is, we beginners will continue to miss things even though > they are in the book. > > That's true, for some definitions of "miss." A better word is "ignore." > >> LFS does not effectively teach this to anyone other than an already > Linux expert. >> ... and please don't complain to me to Google for another site that is > more suitable for a beginner cause there ain't no such thing people. > >> This is the problem when one becomes expertly knowledgeable on a > subject as most (if not all) of you are. >> You forget that the rest of us simply don't know what you're talking > about. >> These quick little blerps in the book don't really do anything for us > newbie's to intermediates. > > "Quick little blerps"? I think this one takes the prize. Wow, just wow. > >> Was it really so painful to exchange three or four emails? >> ... on an email list that purports to teach? >> ... Oh cry for the lost electrons!. > And so on, all the way up to his most recent lecture on how mailing > lists should work, according to him. > > Perhaps I chose the wrong word. In hindsight, privileged and snarky > probably would have been more accurate. But aside from that one word, > I stand by the rest of my post. > > Back to what Elly wrote: >> Frankly, I think that he's one of the people who just so happens to >> have very little luck with search engines when he needs a simple (or >> complex) answers dealing with Linux. > I don't think luck has anything to do with it. I think it's laziness and > an inability or unwillingness to follow directions. Just a few hours ago > when you suggested he try remastering an existing distro, instead of > typing "remaster linux distro" into Google, he came back with, > "ummm ... how do I do that again?" > >> Besides, have you bothered to read these results from his perspective? > Yup. But our paths diverge quite quickly. For example, Mikie would reply > with "What does the -c do?", whereas I would execute "man bash" and > discover that -c is documented on the first page in all but the tiniest > of terminals. > >> He's all but just starting out in a world that's drastically different >> from the familiar Windows environment he's used to. > Setting aside the question of whether someone with his skills and > experience should even attempt an LFS build in the first place, I'm not > criticizing him for being unfamiliar with Linux, but that he continues > to try to build LFS by the seat of his pants and ignore basic > instructions, leading to endless questions that might very well not > come up if he were to start over and follow the book, even as a n00b. > > In any case, for my part I will leave this Mikie business at that and > apologize to the other list members for lowering the signal to noise ratio. > > I see LFS 7.2 is out. It's time to start my first LFS build. > > --Ben > You pretty much validated what I said. And with saying that this is going to be your first LFS build, you've shown you're new to it. I wouldn't be surprised to find several emails from you complaining about something not working.
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