Thank you, Alan , Alexander and Luca,
Some great tips. With your information I feel quite a bit more confident in 
backing up my work. I look forward to the progress in your project, Luca, good 
luck.

Thanks, Arden

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From: Luca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Alexander Stellwag wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 08:07:34PM -0700, Arden wrote:
> >   
> >> After building and successfully booting LFS 6.2  I would like to
> >> backup the system I have made so far. If I burn a copy of the system
> >> onto a dvd can it be restored without any special problems? will
> >> everything copy successfully? I have never done this before and if
> >> anyone has any 
> >> advice I would really appreciate. thanks Arden
> >>     
> >
> > Have a look at this hint:
> > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/lfsbackup.txt
> >
> > It does not exactly what you want but it might be a starting point.
> >
> > Apart from that: I usually do the following after "major upgrades":
> >
> > - boot the final system via LFS Live-CD
> > - mount all filesystems unter /mnt (except proc, sys, dev/pts)
> > - tar up /mnt using "tar cfpjv /some/other/path/lfs.tar.bz2 /mnt/*"
> > - burn the tarball onto DVD.
> >
> > This makes shure that everything gets copied and that all the file and
> > directory permissions are set up right.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Alex
> >   
> Hi Arden!
> 
> Yesterday I talked with Alexander on a project I am working on to create
> {C,H,L,B}FS Live/Installation CDs and maybe DVD images. As I said it
> takes a lot of time to work upon, cause it takes care of all the
> dependencies (something like ALFS project} and I don't really know when
> I put this project on fire to see it if works correcly, it should then
> pass a lot of testing and then finally I have to talk again with the
> original developer. As I said to Alexander I'll post on livecd mailing
> list the work in progress, results of tests, etc...
> 
> Feel free to email me directly.
> 
> Bye,
> Luca
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I concur with your concerns over this technology. It seems to me that this 
could very easily be a beta-test for software that the government will then 
begin to use to search through the mass of information that that the NSA 
collects every day on millions of Americans. One thing that I haven't seen 
mentioned in this discussion is an old intelligence adage that goes basically 
like this, "You need to base your threat analyses on capabilities not 
intentions." So, from a threat to civil liberties viewpoint, this program 
represents a potential huge step forward in the ability of the U.S. Government 
to monitor the communications of its citizens and automatically flag anything 
that "looks like a threat". When one then adds the law that Congress just 
passed concerning who may be declared an "illegal enemy combatant" (which now 
includes U.S. citizens) our government now has the capability to monitor our 
email or other electronic communication, analyse it with software which no one 
will
  know 
anything about regarding false-positive rates, failure modes, etc., then use 
that analysis to declare a citizen to be a "threat" and thus an "illegal enemy 
combatant", then arrest that person, strip them of their civil liberties, and 
turn them over to the gentle care of military tribunals which may, at the 
discretion of the tribunal judge, allow the use of "coerced self-incriminatory 
testimony". Maybe I'm just paranoid, but this sounds an awful lot like Orwell's 
description of the the functions of the "Thought Police" in "1984".

Just my $.02,
Ron
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