@string qt-layout-name = legacy  has not changed. It is in 
"leoSettings.leo" under the node *Qt Gui settings*.

@string qt-style-name = None  is just under the same node *Qt Gui settings*. 


On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 10:29:49 PM UTC+11 [email protected] wrote:

> The problem is that we don't activate VR/VR3 at first because the user 
> might not want to see it and it's pretty distracting when you don't want 
> it. Until the first time VR3 is shown in a layout, it's quiescent. The same 
> thing probably happens for the F11 command.  I thought I had checked all 
> the combinations but apparently not.  I'll work out how to make it work as 
> intended.  VR works a little differently so when VR3 is not enabled I think 
> that Help does show initially.
>
> About the settings, the last I looked, the setting in LeoSettings.leo was 
> for "legacy". I didn't know it had been changed. I also didn't know the 
> name of the setting had changed.  Grrr. I don't like this new name because 
> "style" could mean many things but "layout" is more specific. "Style" tends 
> to be used more for things like color, font, etc. I want setting's name 
> changed back, or to something else with "layout" in its name.  The name 
> "qt-layout-name" was good because it only applies for the Qt GUI, it's 
> about layouts, and specifically it's the actual name of the layout you 
> want.  The new name is not about layouts any more so I don't like it.
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 3:20:40 AM UTC-4 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Edward, hello Thomas,
>>
>> Edward K. Ream schrieb am Samstag, 26. Oktober 2024 um 13:36:51 UTC+2:
>>
>> On Saturday, October 26, 2024 at 2:05:12 AM UTC-5 Edward K. Ream wrote:
>>
>> PR #4129 <https://github.com/leo-editor/leo-editor/pull/4129> fixes the 
>> help-for-layouts command and improves the text of several docstrings.
>>
>>
>> There were some ruffled features between Thomas and myself yesterday. 
>> Sometimes that happens even in the best collaborations. What matters is 
>> that the result is much better than what either of us would have done 
>> separately. The PR acknowledges Thomas's crucial insight: synthesizing the 
>> text of the help-for-layouts and show-layouts commands from the docstrings 
>> of the commands themselves.
>>
>>
>> I tried to do a re-rest of the latest changes - and - noticed that there 
>> is a surprising interaction b/w the ~ final ~ layout system implementation 
>> & the help system.
>>
>> *NO help info is not displayed at all until I explicitly performed a 
>> 'layout-restore-to-settings' !*
>>
>> This behavior does not show up - IF - you test in a ~ fresh ~ 
>> installation, because for the new user the 'legacy / none' setting is 
>> pre-configured in "leoSettings.leo".
>>
>> When I looked further into it I found out that in "myLeoSeetings.leo" I'm 
>> still using
>>
>>    - @string qt-*layout*-name = vertical-thirds # Qt Gui settings ...
>>    
>> while in "leoSettings.leo" it has been (recently?) renamed to
>>
>>    - @string qt-*style*-name = None # Qt Gui settings
>>
>> Are both of you aware of that situation ?
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> Viktor
>>
>>

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