Hi,
On 26/04/24 11:49, Thomas Passin wrote:
I think that Edward does not appreciate how often users want to use
Leo as an *Notebook* as opposed to a *writing* tool. For a notebook,
one wants to include all kinds of material, text and graphics, and
then *look at and read* it many times. For writing, developing code,
and so on one mostly wants to *edit and read text*. Trillium by
default, it seems to me, shows you a rendered view of its nodes and
makes it harder to edit and work with the content. Leo makes it easy
to edit and work with text, but harder to insert and look at rendered
graphics, etc.
[...]
Think about how Jupyter notebooks are usually used. It's great to be
able to develop your code in one, complete with graphics and notes.
But once developed, they are generally shared as a set of HTML files,
and only looked at not edited. VR3 can display those files using an
@jupyter node type. Any text display would only show the raw html,
which is essentially useless and distracting to look at.
Regarding taking inspiration from other tools that try to develop code
in another way, bridging the gap between code, graphics, prose and other
representations, Lepiter, brings several views of the same or of
specialized information, as you can see in the tour[1]. And regarding
the notebooks publishing format, that can be used to be viewed *and*
edited, in contrast with HTML or ipynb that favor one or the other,
respectively, our MiniDocs tool[2], brings some of the lessons learned
while developing Grafoscopio[2a] since 2015/2016 to Lepiter (released on
2021). In [2b] you can find some advantages of the format combination we
are using (Markdeep + STON) over more popular formats, like Jupiter's.
In such format you can create pretty complete data stories like the ones
in [3] and [3a].
BTW, Edward said some time ago and with a lot of justification something
in the lines of how impressive it was that a tool like Pharo didn't have
an advanced note taking system inside the tool. Now with Lepiter[1] this
is being solved. And for the curious reader, the front page video
presentation about the Glamorous Toolkit has been actualized in [4].
Cheers,
Offray
=== Links
[1]
https://lepiter.io/feenk/introducing-lepiter--knowledge-management--e2p6apqsz5npq7m4xte0kkywn/
[2] https://code.sustrato.red/Offray/MiniDocs
[2a] https://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html
[2b]
https://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mutabit/doc/tip/wiki/en/markdeep-extended--3t85t.md.html#appendix
[3]
https://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/gig/doc/trunk/wiki/en/gig-portable-wiki--1apbv.md.html
[3a]
https://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/mutabit/doc/trunk/wiki/en/petitparser-building-modular-parsers--ac8zq.md.html
[4] https://gtoolkit.com/
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