Hey Dan, Absolutely, that is exactly what Bill taught me back when I started posting to the forum. Makes a huge difference for sure. Great for a reminder by all means.
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty Ziegler Laser Worx LLC 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 11:38 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, > A suggestion for Windows users that is handy for posting photos. Included > with almost every Windows OS is a "snipping tool" that captures screen > displayed images. (If it's not installed by default on the new systems, it > can be downloaded and installed). When I photograph something with my > Android phone, i copy the photo to a computer based temp directory and > activate the snipping tool. With the photo displayed in whatever app > Windows offers, I snip the portion of the photo that's relevant, save it > and delete the original photo. This new file is very compact, stripped of > meta data that gives away location etc, and may be reduced to 1/10 of the > original size. I haven't noticed any degradation of quality. > > I haven't seen this technique mentioned recently, so here it is again. > DanK > > On Sunday, April 10, 2011 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-4 Tim Krause wrote: > >> This is one long winded post! It's almost off topic in a way. It deals >> with posting images to the group. Because of the complexities involved and >> the variables I've skipped even starting to write about this topic for >> years. Here's my first crack at it. Keep in mind, we have members with a >> wide range of computer knowledge. There are many ways to deal with images >> on the group. There are just as many options for posting images to the >> group. What I'm going to attempt to do is talk about the process and some >> of the problems you may encounter when sharing photos. This is a rough >> draft but it might turn into a full blown web page. >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Posting Images in the Ornamental Mills Group >> >> It comes down to these steps: >> >> Part One: Taking Photos >> 1. Photographing the Subject. >> 2. Original size consideration. >> 3. Transferring photos to your computer. >> >> Part Two: Editing Photos >> 1. Cropping. >> 2. Sizing for Web and Email >> >> Part Three: Posting Photos >> 1. Email with images inline. >> 2. Email with images attached. >> 3. Linking to an image stored on a web site or free host. >> >> *Part One: Taking Photos* >> >> When taking a photo consider what the subject is and focus on that >> subject. Excessive background is not needed in most cases. Consider the >> scale of the item. Another common object can be included in your >> photograph to give the viewer an idea of how big or small an object is. >> For example, a ruler or a pencil could show the size of a small box. >> >> Digital cameras have a setting that allow you to select image size. >> Usually you will see options like VGA, 1m, 3m, 5m etc. Those numbers refer >> to the amount of pixel stored for an image. For our use, 1mp or VGA is a >> good choice. The resulting image will be sized 1280 x 960. The amount of >> file space it takes up would be about 1mb. Google has a 10mb file size >> limit (that constantly changes) but as a general rule smaller files are >> better for sharing photos on the web. >> >> What happens if you use a camera in say the 7mp mode? Simple, the photo >> becomes 3072 x 2304 in size. This is three times the size of most computer >> monitors used today. The file size also becomes 7mb per photo. Remember >> Google's limit? You could only post one of those pictures. We will talk >> about sizing images in part two. If you cannot figure out how to change >> the setting on you camera, we will take care of it in the editing phase. >> >> The final part of getting the picture posted on line is getting the >> photos from your camera to your computer. I don't think I can tell you how >> to do this. I will say it usually involves plugging your camera into a >> port on your computer with a cable or taking your camera and placing it in >> a cradle for your camera that is hooked up to your computer. From there it >> become a drive just like your hard drive. When you open "My Computer" you >> will see either a new device or drive that you may not recognize. Explore >> that option and see if you see a folder named DCIM. Inside that folder you >> will possibly see another folder labeled 101MSDCF. Inside of that folder >> you will see files that are the actual pictures. Select and copy them to >> your hard drive for you to edit them with. This advice is really camera >> dependant. Manufactures all do things differently. >> >> This is where things get a little complicated. I would suggest naming a >> folder on your hard drive where you store your images. For example you >> could have a legacy folder. Inside of that folder you could have one >> called images that you create. Inside of that you could create a folder >> called "roped column". There is where you would store your pictures of a >> roped column project. Paste the photos there. If this is a problem for >> you, editing and posting will be a problem as well. Where you store the >> photos is called a "Path". I'm going to skip explaining that and refer you >> to google to search for "working with folders" or some basic computer >> tutorial. >> >> The other option that might happen when you plug your camera in to your >> computer is that a program may automatically fire up and transfer the >> photos for you to some place that you tell it too. Once again, that is >> called a path and you will need to write it down so when you go to grab the >> file you will no where it is stored. >> >> Wrapping up this section, you have taken a photo and you now have it >> stored on your computer. Let's move on. >> >> *Part 2: Editing photos* >> >> A photo taken from your camera depending on the cameras setting can be >> all sorts of sizes. It's possible you got too much background in the >> photo. We can fix all of that and make the images easier to view and >> download by using a photo editing software. This can be as complicated as >> you would like to make it. You can choose from buying commercial software >> or using tools built into windows or that came with you camera. Using a >> search engine you can find all sorts of free graphics >> programs to handle images. It's really beyond the scope of this document >> to cover those. >> >> For now, I would suggest another option is to use online programs that >> provide resizing and cropping service for free. One such program can be >> found at http://www.picresize.com/ . I am not making any recommendation >> for using any of their services or products advertised on the web page >> other than the free picture resizing service are easy to use. I found this >> site using a search engine. >> >> Having said that, let's deal with some graphic terms. Cropping is a term >> that refers to selecting a specific portion of the image and removing >> everything else. Resizing is about changing the size of your image. In >> general, you cannot make a picture larger than the original size but making >> them smaller is easy. The good news is most cameras today take huge >> photographs. >> >> Back to the pic resize web site. This site allows you to select a photo >> that you stored on your hard drive and allows you to crop and resize your >> image. The first page shows step 1, select the photo. The next page the >> first step is where you can select to crop unwanted stuff out of the >> photo. You do this by moving your mouse pointer to a corner of the picture >> and clicking the left mousse button and dragging the mouse diagonally to >> select the portion of the image you want and then releasing the mouse >> button. Once that is done you can make the crop window larger or smaller >> by grabbing the little boxes on the cropping border and moving them in or >> out. You can also reset the crop window or just try grabbing the area that >> you want to keep again. Once the area you want to keep is selected click >> the "Crop Selection" button. >> >> The next option is the "Rotation Menu". This comes in handy if you held >> the camera sideways when you took the photo. Just click the appropriate >> button and the image will rotate. >> >> The next option is the selecting the image size. You have several >> options, but for the group I would recommend you choose the "Fit to Screen: >> 800 Resolution". >> >> The next option is "Effects". Please skip that section. >> >> Next is the file "save as" option. The default "JPG" selection is >> perfect. The next option is the quality option. The default is "Good" and >> that would be my preference. >> >> At the very bottom of the screen you can select the " I'm Done Resize My >> Picture " button. >> >> A new page opens up with four options. Only two really matter. Preview >> my image and save to disk. The preview image let's you see the photo and >> the save to disk opens another window where you can give you picture a >> meaningful name and save it to you own hard drive. Write down the name and >> what folder you are sticking you newly resized photo to. I would put it >> back in my legacy folder that I created that I mentioned above. When you >> go to add the photo to an email you will need to be able to find it again. >> If you use the same name as the original file, the new file will overwrite >> the old file so be careful. >> >> The other options on that same page are "Save to Web" and "Advanced >> Editor. Both are for advanced users. Saving to the web appears to be a >> free image hosting service. You can store photos and then point people to >> the photos using a link. The advance editor allows You to mess with all >> sorts of options such as the brightness of the image or add text to the >> photo. It's just a matter of how carried away you would like to get. >> >> That completes part two. You've resized your images and cropped them for >> easy viewing on the web. You've saved them to a place where you will be >> able to access them later. Let's post them now. >> >> *Part 3: Posting images.* >> >> This may seem like a really long process but like most things, it's >> easier to do than explain. Stay with me, we are almost done. >> >> There are many ways to post an image in the group. They all involve >> using an email client. Outlook is probably one of the most popular >> programs that I see in world. >> >> To send an image in Outlook email you start by clicking the New Message >> button. Then in the messaging window that open up you will type in the >> email address of the google group ( legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com ) in >> the To: text box. Add a subject to the subject line and go into >> the message area and type your message. To attach the image to the email >> you click on the "Paperclip" icon. This opens a new window that asks you >> to browse to the file. You do remember where you placed you newly resized >> photo right? Go to that folder and select the file. Choose OK. You can >> add more images by repeating the selection process. You can also grab >> multiples at the same time but I'm going to skip that detail for now. A >> new text box will show up just under the subject textbox showing the files >> you attached to the message. Once you are completely done with the >> message, hit the send button and you are done. >> >> Remember, you can only attach up to 10 mb's of images. How do you know >> how much that is? Well, let's say 10 images, but it really depends how big >> the pictures are. If you resized your images to be 600 pixels wide you >> could post more photos since the file size is smaller. Google will let you >> know when the file size is too big. You will get the message returned to >> you. Having never seen one, I can't really say what it says. If you are >> really concerned you can look at each file size in the new text box that >> shows the attached files. Each file is followed by it's size. If you see >> a bunch of files with MB after them instead of KB's you are sending some >> big files. >> >> Another method is to put the images inline with the email. This is a >> little more involved and only members that are using an email program that >> uses html to view emails can view the images in the body of the message >> text. To make it more complicated, a newer email client that is offered by >> Windows by default, prevents people from seeing images. For online >> viewing, Google removes the images from the message text and places them at >> the end of the message. If you have ever wonder why the messages online >> describe a photo that is not seen, you know why now. >> >> Any way, to make inline images the "Format" of the message in Outlook has >> to be selected as Rich Text (html). This option is found when you select >> "New Message". The toolbar has a "Format" menu. In the middle of the >> options you will see "Rich Text" and "Plain Text". Select the "Rich >> Format" and a check mark should appear by the option. It might also be >> already set depending on the settings. Once the format is set to Rich some >> new icons will light up. One of those is an icon with a picture on it. >> When you are in the message editing area typing a message, hit this icon. >> A new window will open up and that allows you to browse to your picture you >> saved on your hard drive. Click the browse button and navigate to your >> picture. You can only select one at a time. You do remember where you put >> it right? The other options in the screen can be left blank. Just hit >> "OK". Now the picture is located inside the message and you can keep on >> typing your message. Once you are done simply hit the Send button and you >> are done. If you want more than one picture in the message just repeat the >> process of selecting the picture icon. >> >> The last method for posting images is to creating a link to include in an >> email. Again the format must be in html when you are sending a message to >> make this work. For that matter, if the receivers email program is not in >> html mode it will not be clickable either. >> >> Every resource on the internet has a name and a location. Without going >> into to many details, many free posting services will have a part on the >> screen that has a "Link" that can be copied and pasted into an email or a >> web page. It's a bit of html code that makes you browser or email program >> go somewhere and do something. By pasting that code into your email you >> can link to the picture so people can see the picture. That is how this >> line works. >> >> >> http://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/PieCrustTable_files/Pie-crust-1.jpg >> >> It's telling my browser to go to ornamentalmills site and look into some >> directories and display a photo called Pie-crust-1.jpg. Because it's a >> link people can click it. Now, in some email clients this action is >> preceded with "Are you Sure you want to" type messages. This is for your >> protection from bad people, but not really something to worry about when >> you know the sender. >> >> Well, that wraps it up. Possibly the longest post I have ever made and >> to think there are no pictures included with this message. If this message >> helps anyone I'll feel better about the time spent. As always, if you >> don't want to take the time to learn how to post images, just send the >> photos to me an I will post them. I've been using the software for years >> and it takes me about three minutes to convert several photos and forward >> the message. >> >> All Feed back is encouraged. >> >> -Tim >> >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/67d1153f-6f70-438b-a743-1480b74ce69an%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/67d1153f-6f70-438b-a743-1480b74ce69an%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. 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