> Tim > > Casper is a good keeper but he's chosen Stack as his 1st choice who is > wank. > Both Thompson and Flo have played too few games to be classed as succeses > yet. > Both are on loan. Stack actually started very well, neither gets much support from whats in front of them. I hope Casper joins, I agree he looks the better of the two. Agreed Thompson and Flo haven't played enough but you can't blame Wise for this, injuries to the two have cut their chances to help us out down to a minimum, but surely what you saw of the two was better than the dross we've put up with recenmtly (By that I mean 3 years now!)
> Managers have to manage with what they have got. FFS how bad must things > be > if Nicholls would prefer to go back to Luton than stay with us? > Not necessarily Wise's fault, wuite possibly the bloke himself. Sprin g was a bloody good footballer IMHO but had real issues surrounding his wife and felt better down near his roots. I actually think (Obviously not knowing what goes on behind the scenes) Wise has handled this faurly well and told the bloke he ain't leaving now as Luton are one of our relegation contemporaries! > I said a few weeks ago I see no hope with Wise at the helm - when Dowie > became available I would have cut my losses and got him in. You may have > noticed Coventry (who were dire at ER) have gone on an unbeaten run since > he > took up post. > True, but Dowie wasn't available at the time as he was in the Premiership and hardly likely to pack that in to drop back down a league. Plus it would havce jkust meant more payments to ex managers! > Forget this Dennis is a good bloke sh*t. I never said he was a good bloke, merely that your original opininion of him was your person al opinbion and not based on any known fact. When Wise was a player everone > used > to make a beeline to kick him - he was despised. Look at what he did to > the > young lad at Leicester, broke his jaw over a game of cards! When he came I > tried to be positive but not any more. From what the players deliver on > the > pitch I see no evidence of good coaching, tactics or team spirit. That > falls > to the manager. > > I am all for being positive, I stuck up fot Blackie for long enough but > this > bloke is a wrong un and he's going to take my club down. When him and > Bates > have f*cked off and left us in the mire I will never forgive or forget > them. Same here if, 10 years down the line, we look back at what they did overall. > > Finally, if Wise manages to avoid relegation I will take it all back. > Having > said that, after 43 years of following this club I personally have had > enough. I will not be renewing my ST regardless of where we finish. They > are > simply not worth my time or money any more and I never thought I would say > that. Neither did I. Even in the pre Wilko days, I never felt this bad. For gods sake we're going to be a 3rd division team for the 1st time IN OUR HISTORY! But that is NOT all Wise's fault. What Blackwell did in that 1st season was amazing considering what he had to play with. The problem was in the long run he dwelt on that too soon and never had the balls to push on, played it too safe (consiracy theories aside) and ultimately blew his (and ours) big chance towards the last third of last season. Shit, isn't it? > > Phill > > We were Leeds > > >>From: "Tim Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [LU] LU:Wise Up >>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:52:36 -0000 (GMT) >> >>I'd also ask, from within the football world - not blinkered supporters, >>how you can state explicitly that Wise was not a popular player and how >> HE >>(And not a club riddled with money issues and in seemingly terminal >>decline) cannot attract calibre players when he's just done that and >>they've got injured as Shaun says. >>Oh and name me one manager who would come out after a match and say "We >>were shit and it's going to be worse next week"???? It doesn't happen >>Phil, simple as, you simply HAVE to put a positive spin on things where >>you can, thats the nature of the job. I also don't think you can blame >>Wise for the actions of two other people. Was it O'Leary's fault that >>Woodgate and Bowyer did what they did? No. >>What it highlights is what I've been saying about this whole situation. >> IF >>(And it's a small if now) we stay up, then we'll be no better off other >>than the on going payments reduction. We'll have a playing staff of poor >>quality championship players (But taking Beckford as an example) very >> good >>standard League 1 players. We'll add some journeymen to that squad and >>maybe ... MAYBE ... do OK next season. Wehereas the alternative is to >> hang >>on where possible to the half decent players (And I totally and utterly >>agree with you Phil about Foxe, Kandol and Heath (Although it's a bit >>harsh on Stack I think)) and add players who will acheive our aim in >>League 1 (Immediate promotion) In the meantime >> >> >> > >> > In a message dated 3/7/2007 9:41:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> > >> > His choice of skipper & deputy skipper has badly back-fired, thats a >>fact >> > and they were his choice and therefore his fault. So what new blood >> has >>he >> > brought in; Stack, Heath, Kandol and retained Foxe? These are shocking >> > signings, the jury of course is still out on Thompson & Flo. >> > >> > Dennis Wise was not a popular player and he clearly cannot attract >> > calibre >> > players to the club. I see no evidence he can manage a club of our >> > stature. >> > When we go down, not if, we have no chance of getting back up if we >> are >> > expecting this c*nt to get the players we need with the money we >> have. >> > >> > Remember this, Wise is not a victim here. He came with his eyes open >>and >> > the >> > only promise we get after each woeful performance is it will be >> better >> > next >> > week. Can't believe some of you are still buying this sh*t. >> > >> > >> > >> > Can't believe how biased this is. A lot of facts are missing. By all >> > accounts Wise has improved the fitness and fight of the club. With >>regard >> > to the >> > playing staff, you didn't mention Casper - an international keeper who >>has >> > impressed most obvservers. It's a bit of a stretch to say "the jury's >> > still out on >> > Thompson and Flo" - they each started scoring immediately. What else >> do >> > you >> > want? I'd go as far as to say that if they hadn't gotten injured, we >> > wouldn't >> > be getting relegated this season. Then there's Kisishev, who >> apparently >> > played very well on Saturday. And then there's Rui Marques, >> shamefully >> > left to >> > rot in the reserves by Blackwell, and yet earning "man of the match" >> > plaudits >> > game after game since Wise started playing him. That's five >>international >> > players he's introduced to the first XI of the bottom team in the >>second >> > division. I don't think that's bad going. Even if we get relegated, >> I'd >> > say leaving >> > Wise and Poyet in charge would be the right option. >> > >> > Cheers! >> > >> > Sean >> > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >>free >> > email to everyone. 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