Hi Tony, nice to hear from you. Much of the day-to-day conversation around development takes place in IRC/Matrix, so it would be good if you joined in there. #kubuntu-devel or the equivalent in Matrix/Telegram.
All the best, Valorie, for the Kubuntu Council On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 6:59 AM Tony Walker <tony.walker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > I just joined the list and this is my first post. I am considering > using Kubuntu and, if so, would be interested in contributing. As an > outsider looking in, I generally agree with all of the proposed ideas > below. Also, as an outsider, my perspective might be helpful... > > Short story, I have used Debian (along with Debian-based systems like > Ubuntu) for nearly twenty years, but Debian was almost always my daily > driver. I love Debian for its openness, community, and process. Why > consider Kubuntu then? Honestly, it's largely the six-month release > cycle. > > As an outsider, Canonical looms large over everything Ubuntu (to be > fair, the same is true of Red Hat/IBM and Fedora/CentOS). If I > contribute to a project, I want to contribute to a community instead > of a corporation. Putting community building, openness, and democracy > before everything is the key to success. Otherwise, I will be wary and > unlikely to contribute. I know I am not alone and I know all of you > know this, I just want to say it out-loud. By the way, I am fully > aware that some of you are contributors to both Debian and Ubuntu. > > Another thing I like about Debian is that it is largely unopinionated > (some might say vanilla). To be fair, Debian does make some choices > for users (systemd and apparmor), but Kubuntu should be commended for > shipping Flatpak along with Snap! This shows independence and > fairness. Those are important qualities for me and should be > highlighted! More of this should be encouraged and shouted out-loud! > > Finally the installer needs some help (I know you know that more users > obviously means more potential contributors). I have used Btrfs for > years on Debian. When I installed Kubuntu, I ran into a few problems > (I have not filed bug reports yet...bad user). First, a manual install > of Btrfs into an encrypted volume fails with a Python exception (would > be cryptic to many users). I quickly realized that the problem was > that the installer needed my password but didn't have it. I simply > restarted the install, chose guided and encrypted, entered my > password, then chose manual partitioning. It worked. With the > improvements in Btrfs and Canonical's apparent loss of interest in > ZFS, it might be time to make Btrfs a first class citizen in the > installer. I have been helping people on Reddit and elsewhere with > Btrfs on Debian and Ubuntu lately, so I know there is a demand (e.g., > > https://github.com/tonywalker1/ubuntu-tips/blob/main/add-btrfs-subvolumes.md > ). > Anyway, this is just one example of where Kubuntu is losing users to > projects like Fedora. Coming full circle, a major complaint about > Fedora is the installer and the hardware support out-of-the-box. > Kubuntu excels on hardware support, so I suggest giving some love to > the installer and enabling newer technologies like Btrfs. By the way, > giving some love to the installer is a project to which I would be > willing to contribute. > > I hope this helps! > > -- > Tony Walker <tony.walker...@gmail.com> > PGP Key @ https://keys.openpgp.org/ > 9F46 D66D FF6C 182D A5AC 11E1 8559 98D1 7543 319C > > > Hello folks! > > > > I'd like to brainstorm some ideas on how to get more folks into the > project and be more transparent with what goes out in the Kubuntu world. > I'll list a few ideas: > > > > - Quarterly meetings > > - Meetings notes for the community to post on the news section of the > website > > - What we have done in that quarter > > - What we have planned for the next release > > > > I think it's a good time to start in Q1 of 2023 as we enter the > development cycle for 23.04. Thoughts? > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel > -- https://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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