Just a note, If anyone is looking for a set of KR2 wingskins I have a set untouched available. Rick margiandr...@gmail.com ( Cincinnati )
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 6:01 AM <krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org> wrote: > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet@list.krnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-ow...@list.krnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Diehl wingskins (MS) > 2. Re: Trainer update and answers (victor taylor) > 3. C of A (ol' weirdo) > 4. Re: Trainer update and answers (John Bouyea) > 5. Re: Trainer update and answers (Jeff Scott) > 6. Re: Trainer update and answers (Mark Jones) > 7. Re: Trainer update and answers (Flesner) > 8. Re: KR Trainer (Kayak) > 9. Re: Trainer update and answers (Jeff Scott) > 10. Where and how did you find an affordable hanger? (Mark Wegmet) > 11. Re: Where and how did you find an affordable hanger? > (John Gotschall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 18:37:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: MS <propbala...@att.net> > Subject: KR>Diehl wingskins > To: "krnet@list.krnet.org" <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Message-ID: <1844298803.3304.1620412645...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > That's a sad bit of info to come across, that Steve isn't responding re > the wingskins. I hope Steve eventually gets enough equilibrium with his > regular life to get enough time to get back to the business of KR > components and Ellison production/overhaul. > The newsletter is becoming quite a hodge-podge. This will be my last > comment on the subject. I think people using their phones instead of > notebooks/laptops for email may be the major reason for what's happened. > It's apparently harder to edit communications when using a smartphone?. I > don't own one, so am just guessing. > > I DID take some netter's advice (thank you whoever that was!) and buy a > $30 LG Rebel 4 at Wal-Mart, for use as a back up for Avare. I suppose it > qualifies as a smartphone but I don't use it for communications, nevermind > trying to write on it). I did load Avare but the best use I've gotten from > it is using it to listen to Radio4, using wi-fi. Also useful as a tether > for using my laptop when out of town. Ting has a deal for 5 GB of pure > 4&5G hotspot data for $20/mo (also includes unlimited talk & text), no > contract. Amazing and really handy little device. > > Maybe someday I'll buy a fancy smartphone and learn to use it. I've heard > you can talk into them and have voice transcribed into text, which then can > be edited - but obviously often isn't - at least on KRNet. Meanwhile, I > love my Lenovo T-series laptops and much enjoy the flow of conversation on > KRNet. > > I think the idea of a KR Trainer is rather unnecessary. An original Jim > Bede AA-1 Yankee is touchy enough - stall wise and control-feel wise - to > prepare someone for anything a KR might do. Old Yankee's surely must be > cheap these days. > > My thought is the KR itself, especially now that most of them have been > lengthened somewhat, is the best teacher of all. Two requirements - a > long, long runway and nobody in a tower directing traffic. As for "high > speed taxi texts", more KR's have bit the dust doing these things than have > ever succumbed to any normal crashes :-). > And brakes? Used for holding short and emergency use on very short > strips. That's all they're for. Proper pilots disdain brakes. > > MikeKSEE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 15:20:31 -0500 > From: victor taylor <velocityo...@yahoo.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Message-ID: <672359e7-bd28-419e-8b7e-e5f779b5b...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello KR Netters, > > We have struck a deal on the KR Trainer now. This WILL happen. Actual > possession is end of June. It will need a fresh condition inspection and > perhaps 5 to 10 hours flown off before we start doing any training in it. > I expect it to be ready for students by September. > > The rules for training in experimental aircraft are simple. You can’t > charge for an experimental aircraft without a waiver. However the > instructor can charge for his instruction. We will be working on a waiver > as soon as it’s flyable. We can’t do it for free but will keep the prices > set as low as possible. This is not a business venture but a way of > addressing a need in the community. > > Obviously this will be a learning curve so the first few students will > need to be flexible. They also need to be be light weight until we get some > time in it. I’ll have each student comment on the training both good and > bad so we can improve it over time. > > A debt of gratitude goes to Michael the current owner of the airplane who > has chosen to sell it to me to give the community a KR Trainer even though > he has others wanting to buy it. The sole purpose of it will be to enhance > safety of new pilots and owners. It may also help those wishing to sell > their airplane if type specific training is available to potential buyers. > Many Velocity owners won’t sell their airplane without requiring that the > new owners get transition training first. > > I may even set up a class to build your rudder or something like that over > a couple days to show those unfamiliar with fiberglass how to do it. Plus > they will go home with a finished part. > > This started as an idea that I proposed to Mark Langford who endorsed it. > We decided to put it out to the group to get your opinions and it has been > well received. This is happening because of all of you. I’m excited to be > addressing this issue for the KR community. I will keep you all up to date > on the progress. > > Victor Taylor CFII > 251-377-5216 > > > > On May 6, 2021, at 07:59, victor taylor <velocityo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Wow, > > You all have great input. First off insurance is out of the question. We > could have everyone sign a waiver to cover that. It would probably be in my > name so the external liability would be on me. That really doesn’t bother > me because I haven’t insured my airplanes since about 1999. The bottom line > on the KR Trainer is that insurance would cost more annually than the cost > of the aircraft. If it’s damaged we will assess the damage and see if it’s > worth repairing or find another airframe. There isn’t much you could do to > a KR that couldn’t be repaired fairly easily. > > > > The size and weight deal would be a hurdle though about all you can do > is set the rudder pedals as far forward as possible and then have blocks > that mount on them to bring them closer to the pilot. I can lower the seats > a bit and add cushions to raise short people. I am 6’ tall and 230 lbs. The > KR isn’t going to perform well but it doesn’t have to. > > As far as the frequency of the training it would be about a three day > program start to finish. In Mobile we have over 300 flying days per year so > we can plan it fairly good with modern forecast. > > The Question of could it be flown solo? If I train you I’ll more than > likely let you fly it solo to see the difference. Certainly more pilots > than me will fly it and my original thought was that it could be taken to > fly ins for demo, training and flight reviews. I’m sure I wouldn’t be the > only one to fly it solo. > > All great comments guys and gals. Feel free to put my number in your > phone and text me before you call. Otherwise I may not answer it. > > > > Victor Taylor > > 251-377-5216 > > > > > >> On May 6, 2021 WEwas, at 03:34, krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org wrote: > >> Q > >> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > >> krnet@list.krnet.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > >> body 'help' to > >> krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> krnet-ow...@list.krnet.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Flight plan question (Global Solutions) > >> 2. Re: KR Trainer (frayrothwell) > >> 3. Re: KR Trainer (Robert Sauer) > >> 4. Re: KR Trainer (Flesner) > >> 5. Re: KR Trainer (Dave Ferguson) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 13:04:24 -0400 > >> From: Global Solutions <smcdo...@kos.net> > >> Subject: KR>Flight plan question > >> To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >> Message-ID: <279cae52-b6b0-a8c1-ac78-8b2773780...@kos.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> Other then filing a flight plan if you are passing over a country do > you > >> need any special paperwork or certificate if you are on your way to > >> another country? > >> > >> I recognize that you will need proper certificate and permission in the > >> country you are going to land in. > >> > >> Can someone advise. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Stan > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> https://www.avg.com > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 14:22:56 -0500 > >> From: frayrothwell <frayrothw...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > >> To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org>, frayrothw...@gmail.com > >> Message-ID: <6092f092.1c69fb81.c97ec.1...@mx.google.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> I like the idea. My kr2 is probably a year and a half from > completion. I have been flying a 7ac champ for my tailwheel endorsement > but my instructor is selling it this spring before I can finish. His hull > insurance became too high to continue. A friend developed a kr2 model for > my 2200 jabiru powered kr2 that I have been flying with xplane 11 but it > needs tweeking so that I can fly it from the cockpit with vr. If I were to > come to alabama for training, I would want to complete it in consecutive > days.Forest RothwellIronton MnSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10e. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 14:12:31 -0700 > >> From: Robert Sauer <rob81...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > >> To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >> Message-ID: > >> <canuxmct9sa69ha3a97zi+jj5+cytj2gu197zcpqjjj0yism...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Do you happen to be from Oconomowoc, WI ? > >> > >> Bob Sauer > >> > >>>> On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 12:31 PM frayrothwell <frayrothw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I like the idea. My kr2 is probably a year and a half from > completion. I > >>> have been flying a 7ac champ for my tailwheel endorsement but my > instructor > >>> is selling it this spring before I can finish. His hull insurance > became > >>> too high to continue. A friend developed a kr2 model for my 2200 > jabiru > >>> powered kr2 that I have been flying with xplane 11 but it needs > tweeking so > >>> that I can fly it from the cockpit with vr. If I were to come to > alabama > >>> for training, I would want to complete it in consecutive days.Forest > >>> RothwellIronton MnSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10e. > >>> ________________________________ > >>> -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> -Change list delivery options at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > >>> -Search recent KRnet Archives at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > >>> -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > >>> John Boyea's decades of archive at > >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 18:04:15 -0500 > >> From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > >> Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > >> To: victor taylor via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >> Message-ID: <b89e0dbb-45c0-f29b-e6b9-55442e348...@frontier.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >>>> On 5/5/2021 8:36 AM, victor taylor via KRnet wrote: > >>> Based on my conversation with Mark Langford I’m ready to do this if we > have the interest. > >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> Victor, > >> > >> I applaud your willingness to take on such a project that probably has > >> little payback for you personally. That's how things get done. > >> > >> I would however caution you to have all your ducks in a row before > >> committing too much financially. Do you know for sure if insurance > will > >> be available and what will be the cost. I keep hearing from the local > >> FBO's that the insurance cost on training aircraft is out of site like > >> $8000 a year on a C172 and that's a "certified" aircraft. It might be > >> helpful if you had some timeline for availability, height and weight > >> limit for students, a close to realistic cost per hour, can the > aircraft > >> be rented solo after checkout or strictly dual, is the aircraft full > >> dual control, etc.. What are the qualifications of the expected > >> instructor and will he / she be carrying enough insurance to cover > >> himself / herself? What about renters insurance. If a student puts it > >> in to the weeds, who pays? Based on the answers to the above > questions, > >> now who's interested and what is "their" timeline. It's best to have > >> the answers up front than to sort it out after the dust settles. > >> > >> Good luck. I hope it works out of all concerned. > >> > >> Larry Flesner > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 5 > >> Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 19:34:13 -0400 > >> From: Dave Ferguson <anglinj5special...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > >> To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >> Message-ID: > >> <ca+ctq2l6z1gbalgvnncct-_uwnn41rxfnqrd0gtniizdswj...@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Great idea! Maybe this is just what the kr community needs to stimulate > >> interest in our group. I'm in!!! Thanks for stepping up!!! > >> > >>>> On Wed, May 5, 2021, 11:57 AM Guy Maniscalco <nisca...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I am currently building a KR2S in Northern Idaho. I do not yet have my > >>> pilot's license, but as I get closer to finishing the plane I will > work on > >>> the license. I am not ready to commit to your proposition right now, > but in > >>> the near future it may be the right thing for me to do. It certainly > sounds > >>> enticing. > >>> > >>> Guy Maniscalco > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: mitch bushnell via KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:47 AM > >>> To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > >>> Cc: mitch bushnell <lil...@yahoo.com> > >>> Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > >>> > >>> Awesome idea, I hope you guys can get this accomplished. > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Stolhammer<kstolham...@gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: I will support this. There are no tailwheels available for > >>> training around > >>> here (eastern WA). My KR 1 is finally ready now, just completed my > bfr, in > >>> a 172. Two aircraft could hardly be more different... > >>> Kevin Stolhammer > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 5, 2021, 6:36 AM victor taylor via KRnet < > krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello KR builders, > >>>> An opportunity to put together a trainer has come up. I spoke with > Mark > >>>> and he is onboard with this idea. I am willing to buy and set up a KR2 > >>> for > >>>> training and get an exemption from the FAA so we can legally train in > it. > >>>> The airplane needs to be totally self sufficient to make this happen. > The > >>>> airplane would be based near Mobile Alabama. Myself and Jeff Scott > were > >>>> former Velocity Aircraft transition flight instructors and know how to > >>> set > >>>> up a proper transition training program. If someone buys a KR it > would be > >>>> different from someone who had built a KR. All in all though to > properly > >>>> transition most people takes between 5 and 10 hours. So probably > around a > >>>> thousand dollars for someone with no MR time. > >>>> Based on my conversation with Mark Langford I’m ready to do this if we > >>>> have the interest. > >>>> The aircraft needs to make enough money to repay the debt over time > while > >>>> paying for its own hangar rent and maintenance. > >>>> We could also give demo flights in it. Availability of training would > >>> push > >>>> the value of existing KR’s up and lower insurance rates so it would > >>> benefit > >>>> the whole community. > >>>> Can I get a show of hands of those who would be interested in > training, > >>>> flight reviews etc? Please give your opinion even if you wouldn’t need > >>> this > >>>> training. > >>>> > >>>> Victor Taylor > >>>> CFII > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On May 3, 2021, at 03:30, krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > >>>>> krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > >>>>> body 'help' to > >>>>> krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>>>> krnet-ow...@list.krnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>>>> than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > >>>>> > >>>>> Today's Topics: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > >>>>> 2. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > >>>>> 3. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > >>>>> 4. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Jeff Scott) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 1 > >>>>> Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:26:34 -0500 > >>>>> From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > >>>>> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>> Message-ID: <5f036c24-cf43-e297-2a09-52f628f85...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > >>>>>> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. > >>>>> > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, Jeff. I knew someone out there had the answer. > >>>>> > >>>>> Larry Flesner > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 2 > >>>>> Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:53:01 -0500 > >>>>> From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > >>>>> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>> Message-ID: <c12c7a27-f6d1-e1fa-b5e2-d8b12f369...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > >>>>>> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. ex pretty easily. > >>>>>> -Jeff Scott > >>>>> > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> > >>>>> Jeff, > >>>>> > >>>>> Do you recall the amount of MMO they were running in the 3300 that > >>>>> checked well? 4 oz to 10 gallon of fuel is recommended but I run 4 > oz > >>>>> to 5 gallon in the 0-200 and a bit in the crankcase at oil change > time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Larry Flesner > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 3 > >>>>> Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:55:30 -0500 > >>>>> From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > >>>>> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>> Message-ID: <70e5d87a-91ad-3d78-e516-da57a44f3...@frontier.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > >>>>>> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. > >>>>>> -Jeff Scott > >>>>> > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> > >>>>> I forgot to mention that he leans aggressively, even on taxi, and his > >>>>> plugs run clean with no deposits. Engine has approx 350 hours TT. > >>>>> > >>>>> Larry Flesner > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 4 > >>>>> Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 15:46:32 +0200 > >>>>> From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> > >>>>> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > >>>>> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>> Message-ID: > <trinity-66700996-f8ad-4839-b1d2-41403a6a8634-161996319211 > >>>>> 2@3c-app-mailcom-bs11> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 at 7:53 AM > >>>>>> From: "Flesner" <fles...@frontier.com> > >>>>>> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > >>>>>> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > >>>>>>> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. ex pretty easily. > >>>>>>> -Jeff Scott > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jeff, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do you recall the amount of MMO they were running in the 3300 that > >>>>>> checked well? 4 oz to 10 gallon of fuel is recommended but I run 4 > oz > >>>>>> to 5 gallon in the 0-200 and a bit in the crankcase at oil change > >>> time. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Larry Flesner > >>>>> > >>>>> I really don't recall. I could send him a text later today and ask, > >>> but > >>>> 4 oz sounds about right. MMO seems to soften the lead deposits > causing > >>>> them to slough more easily and lessening lead build up in the engine. > >>> Lead > >>>> build up in an engine is a constant process where the lead is always > >>>> building and sloughing away. I once checked a fresh engine 2 hours > >>> after I > >>>> had overhauled it and was quite surprised by the amount of lead that > had > >>>> already built on top of the pistons. > >>>>> > >>>>> Leaning helps to avoid excess deposits, but leaded fuel will always > >>>> deposit lead on any exposed surface as it burns. TetraEthylLead is > used > >>> to > >>>> not only boost octane, but as a sacrificial metal intended to deposit > >>>> between the valve face and valve seat to prevent valve face/seat > erosion > >>>> due to the valve and seat faces exchanging metals while hot. Newer, > >>>> hardened seats and valves no longer require lead to protect them. In > the > >>>> Jabiru engines, it seems to cause static valve seating issues. But, > if > >>> you > >>>> checked the engine with a boroscope, you wouldn't see any signs of > uneven > >>>> heating or burning of the exhaust valves, so they are not leaking > >>>> dynamically as that would cause the valves to burn and fail, which > would > >>> be > >>>> obvious with a boroscope. It's just something that shows up on a > static > >>>> differential compression test. So, to assure the mechanic that all is > >>>> actually OK, the mechanic stakes the valves and finds the compression > >>>> readings recover to normal. It's really not an actual problem with > the > >>>> engine itself. I suspect part of this may come from the Jabirus > having > >>>> small valves and light valve springs, which is actually a good thing. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Jeff Scott > >>>>> Arkansas Ozarks > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Digest Footer > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> Search the KRnet Archives at <A HREF=" > >>>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/";> KRnet > >>> Empathy > >>>> Archive administration </A>. > >>>>> Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> . > >>>>> To change list delivery options visit the <A HREF=" > >>>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org";> KRnet Affinity > List > >>>> Info Board</A> . > >>>>> <A HREF="https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/";>John > >>>> Bouyea's KRnet Searchable Email Archive (recent, as well as decades > >>>> old)</A> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 9, Issue 92 > >>>>> ************************************ > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>>> -Change list delivery options at > >>>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > >>> Board > >>>> -Search recent KRnet Archives at > >>>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > >>>> -Search < > >>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > >>>> John Boyea's decades of archive at > >>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > >>> ________________________________ > >>> -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> -Change list delivery options at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > >>> -Search recent KRnet Archives at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > >>> -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > >>> John Boyea's decades of archive at > >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > >>> ________________________________ > >>> -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> -Change list delivery options at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > >>> -Search recent KRnet Archives at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > >>> -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > >>> John Boyea's decades of archive at > >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > >>> ________________________________ > >>> -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >>> -Change list delivery options at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > >>> -Search recent KRnet Archives at > >>> https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > >>> -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > >>> John Boyea's decades of archive at > >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at <A HREF=" > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/";> KRnet Empathy > Archive administration </A>. > >> Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > . > >> To change list delivery options visit the <A HREF=" > https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org";> KRnet Affinity List > Info Board</A> . > >> <A HREF="https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/";>John > Bouyea's KRnet Searchable Email Archive (recent, as well as decades > old)</A> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of KRnet Digest, Vol 9, Issue 96 > >> ************************************ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 16:49:13 -0400 > From: "ol' weirdo" <wmiw...@gmail.com> > Subject: KR>C of A > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Message-ID: > < > cads5ve1gzlpu-jt6mutct1csujzcvbf6jcars9+jf5j7px8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Besides universal health care one of the good things about Canada is that > amateur built aircraft receive a Certificate of Airworthiness. Maybe as an > amateur built but a C of A. non the less. And you’re welcome to rent hangar > space at a nominal rate. > > In a similar note the question has arisen about overflying ‘foreign’ > countries. My understanding from a recent reference that one can overfly > Canada as one would from mainland US to Alaska or over St. Johns as one > would doing a Lindbergh from New York to Paris by calling up Flight > Following. But the US does not permit overflying in the same way probably > because of the under employed aircraft equipped National Guard. > > My own experience flying from London in the heart of the Great Lakes to > relatives in Charlottetown in Price Edward Island has been to file from > Sherbrooke Quebec and across Maine. But flying home if I were to have a > headwind I would not make it westward across Maine so I stayed in Canada. > This entailed flying up north to the St. Lawrence River and then west > homeward. The question how much of the northern tip of Maine dare I cut > off. > > W. > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 13:52:34 -0700 > From: "John Bouyea" <j...@bouyea.net> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: "'KRnet'" <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Cc: 'victor taylor' <velocityo...@yahoo.com> > Message-ID: <017101d74382$e8f68b00$bae3a100$@bouyea.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Victor, > Wow, This is a phenomenal effort on your part. Please accept my thanks and > congratulations on moving forward in this direction. > Several of us spoke about this after 2017 KR Gathering Rob hosted at Lee's > Summit. The presentation about limiting insurance to those building/ > owning/ flying the turbine "whatever it was" and the requirement for > type-specific training brought up what could be done to help the KR > community. > And here you are doing it. Thank you for helping the community. > > To everyone else planning to first-flight your KR; > Please consider the cost to travel to fly with Vic as an insignificant > expense. Consider the alternative cost of having a problem (of any kind) on > your first flight and what that might cost to repair. And repair I mean the > airplane or you if you were to be injured. I think there could be several > stories told around the campfire if the root beer was flowing, just between > friends. Some of those stories actually HAVE been told right here on KRNet. > Like 440 times, according to the KR Archives... See > https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=accident&l=krnet%40list.krnet.org > if you wonder about it. > > John Bouyea > N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying > www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/N133RM > OR81/ Hillsboro, OR > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > > Hello KR Netters, > We have struck a deal on the KR Trainer now. This WILL happen. Actual > possession is end of June. It will need a fresh condition inspection and > perhaps 5 to 10 hours flown off before we start doing any training in it. > I expect it to be ready for students by September. ... > Victor Taylor CFII > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 00:12:28 +0200 > From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Message-ID: <trinity-50944694-7542-45cd-8eb3-646165144190-162042554862 > 8@3c-app-mailcom-bs01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Congratulations. That's very cool. And a very generous and gutsy move on > your part. Just curiosity on my part, but I'm dying to know what > powerplant? Tail dragger or training wheel? And whatever other specifics > you can share with us when you can share some specifics. > > -Jeff Scott > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 at 3:20 PM > > From: "victor taylor via KRnet" <krnet@list.krnet.org> > > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > Cc: "victor taylor" <velocityo...@yahoo.com> > > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > > > > Hello KR Netters, > > > > We have struck a deal on the KR Trainer now. This WILL happen. Actual > possession is end of June. It will need a fresh condition inspection and > perhaps 5 to 10 hours flown off before we start doing any training in it. > > I expect it to be ready for students by September. > > > > The rules for training in experimental aircraft are simple. You can’t > charge for an experimental aircraft without a waiver. However the > instructor can charge for his instruction. We will be working on a waiver > as soon as it’s flyable. We can’t do it for free but will keep the prices > set as low as possible. This is not a business venture but a way of > addressing a need in the community. > > > > Obviously this will be a learning curve so the first few students will > need to be flexible. They also need to be be light weight until we get some > time in it. I’ll have each student comment on the training both good and > bad so we can improve it over time. > > > > A debt of gratitude goes to Michael the current owner of the airplane > who has chosen to sell it to me to give the community a KR Trainer even > though he has others wanting to buy it. The sole purpose of it will be to > enhance safety of new pilots and owners. It may also help those wishing to > sell their airplane if type specific training is available to potential > buyers. Many Velocity owners won’t sell their airplane without requiring > that the new owners get transition training first. > > > > I may even set up a class to build your rudder or something like that > over a couple days to show those unfamiliar with fiberglass how to do it. > Plus they will go home with a finished part. > > > > This started as an idea that I proposed to Mark Langford who endorsed > it. We decided to put it out to the group to get your opinions and it has > been well received. This is happening because of all of you. I’m excited to > be addressing this issue for the KR community. I will keep you all up to > date on the progress. > > > > Victor Taylor CFII > > 251-377-5216 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 18:37:27 -0400 > From: Mark Jones <flyk...@gmail.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Message-ID: <a0ad6629-6040-4511-b326-58e1ba048...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Training wheel ??? > OMG... Ethyl I’m having the big one!!! > > Mark Jones > Oldsmar, Fl > > N771MJ “WunderBird” > www.flykr2s.com > flyk...@gmail.com > > > > > On May 7, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > > Tail dragger or training wheel? > > > > -Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 18:16:54 -0500 > From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Message-ID: <a5174f30-35b5-8854-616b-fab719a93...@frontier.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 5/7/2021 3:52 PM, John Bouyea wrote: > > Some of those stories actually HAVE been told right here on KRNet. > Like 440 times, according to the KR Archives... Seehttps:// > www.mail-archive.com/search?q=accident&l=krnet%40list.krnet.org if you > wonder about it. > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Victor is taking a bold step and I hope it all works out well for all > involved. There is risk involved in any type of flight training. After > seeing the list that John posted I feel grateful that my liability quote > just received for the next year is only $495, > > Let's see. The couple of short breakfast flights a month that seem to > make up my flying schedule lately would be 52 divided by 26 = about $20 > a flight for insurance. Cheap for the enjoyment I receive. > > Larry Flesner > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 19:44:43 -0400 > From: Kayak <kayak1...@gmail.com> > Subject: KR>Re: KR Trainer > To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Message-ID: > <CAF6k7fR9-8vaXc33O5PF= > 00uc0yetkg-1tfx2g3qo8yxgkv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > count me in. I would take dual and that would motivate me to move my > project from storage to building status... > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:36 AM victor taylor via KRnet < > krnet@list.krnet.org> > wrote: > > > Hello KR builders, > > An opportunity to put together a trainer has come up. I spoke with Mark > > and he is onboard with this idea. I am willing to buy and set up a KR2 > for > > training and get an exemption from the FAA so we can legally train in it. > > The airplane needs to be totally self sufficient to make this happen. The > > airplane would be based near Mobile Alabama. Myself and Jeff Scott were > > former Velocity Aircraft transition flight instructors and know how to > set > > up a proper transition training program. If someone buys a KR it would be > > different from someone who had built a KR. All in all though to properly > > transition most people takes between 5 and 10 hours. So probably around a > > thousand dollars for someone with no MR time. > > Based on my conversation with Mark Langford I’m ready to do this if we > > have the interest. > > The aircraft needs to make enough money to repay the debt over time while > > paying for its own hangar rent and maintenance. > > We could also give demo flights in it. Availability of training would > push > > the value of existing KR’s up and lower insurance rates so it would > benefit > > the whole community. > > Can I get a show of hands of those who would be interested in training, > > flight reviews etc? Please give your opinion even if you wouldn’t need > this > > training. > > > > Victor Taylor > > CFII > > > > > > > > > On May 3, 2021, at 03:30, krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org wrote: > > > > > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > > > krnet@list.krnet.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > > > body 'help' to > > > krnet-requ...@list.krnet.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > krnet-ow...@list.krnet.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > > > 2. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > > > 3. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Flesner) > > > 4. Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? (Jeff Scott) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:26:34 -0500 > > > From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > > > Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > > > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > > Message-ID: <5f036c24-cf43-e297-2a09-52f628f85...@frontier.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > > >> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > > >> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > Thanks, Jeff. I knew someone out there had the answer. > > > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:53:01 -0500 > > > From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > > > Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > > > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > > Message-ID: <c12c7a27-f6d1-e1fa-b5e2-d8b12f369...@frontier.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > > >> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > > >> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. ex pretty easily. > > >> -Jeff Scott > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > > > Do you recall the amount of MMO they were running in the 3300 that > > > checked well? 4 oz to 10 gallon of fuel is recommended but I run 4 oz > > > to 5 gallon in the 0-200 and a bit in the crankcase at oil change time. > > > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 07:55:30 -0500 > > > From: Flesner <fles...@frontier.com> > > > Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > > > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > > Message-ID: <70e5d87a-91ad-3d78-e516-da57a44f3...@frontier.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > > >> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > > >> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. > > >> -Jeff Scott > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > I forgot to mention that he leans aggressively, even on taxi, and his > > > plugs run clean with no deposits. Engine has approx 350 hours TT. > > > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 15:46:32 +0200 > > > From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> > > > Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > > > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > > Message-ID: <trinity-66700996-f8ad-4839-b1d2-41403a6a8634-161996319211 > > > 2@3c-app-mailcom-bs11> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 at 7:53 AM > > >> From: "Flesner" <fles...@frontier.com> > > >> To: krnet@list.krnet.org > > >> Subject: KR>Re: Jabiru 3300 engine? > > >> > > >>> On 5/1/2021 10:27 PM, Jeff Scott wrote: > > >>> This is a common issue with the Jabiru. ex pretty easily. > > >>> -Jeff Scott > > >> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >> > > >> Jeff, > > >> > > >> Do you recall the amount of MMO they were running in the 3300 that > > >> checked well? 4 oz to 10 gallon of fuel is recommended but I run 4 oz > > >> to 5 gallon in the 0-200 and a bit in the crankcase at oil change > time. > > >> > > >> Larry Flesner > > > > > > I really don't recall. I could send him a text later today and ask, > but > > 4 oz sounds about right. MMO seems to soften the lead deposits causing > > them to slough more easily and lessening lead build up in the engine. > Lead > > build up in an engine is a constant process where the lead is always > > building and sloughing away. I once checked a fresh engine 2 hours > after I > > had overhauled it and was quite surprised by the amount of lead that had > > already built on top of the pistons. > > > > > > Leaning helps to avoid excess deposits, but leaded fuel will always > > deposit lead on any exposed surface as it burns. TetraEthylLead is used > to > > not only boost octane, but as a sacrificial metal intended to deposit > > between the valve face and valve seat to prevent valve face/seat erosion > > due to the valve and seat faces exchanging metals while hot. Newer, > > hardened seats and valves no longer require lead to protect them. In the > > Jabiru engines, it seems to cause static valve seating issues. But, if > you > > checked the engine with a boroscope, you wouldn't see any signs of uneven > > heating or burning of the exhaust valves, so they are not leaking > > dynamically as that would cause the valves to burn and fail, which would > be > > obvious with a boroscope. It's just something that shows up on a static > > differential compression test. So, to assure the mechanic that all is > > actually OK, the mechanic stakes the valves and finds the compression > > readings recover to normal. It's really not an actual problem with the > > engine itself. I suspect part of this may come from the Jabirus having > > small valves and light valve springs, which is actually a good thing. > > > > > > -Jeff Scott > > > Arkansas Ozarks > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at <A HREF=" > > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/";> KRnet > Empathy > > Archive administration </A>. > > > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > . > > > To change list delivery options visit the <A HREF=" > > https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org";> KRnet Affinity List > > Info Board</A> . > > > <A HREF="https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/";>John > > Bouyea's KRnet Searchable Email Archive (recent, as well as decades > > old)</A> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 9, Issue 92 > > > ************************************ > > ________________________________ > > -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > -Change list delivery options at > > https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > > -Search recent KRnet Archives at > > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > > -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > > John Boyea's decades of archive at > > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 8 May 2021 02:57:44 +0200 > From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Trainer update and answers > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Message-ID: <trinity-3faf8fc9-9f98-48fb-8cdd-e7ee279ed35c-162043546450 > 9@3c-app-mailcom-bs01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > I said that just because I knew how much you would appreciate it. ;o) > > > > Training wheel ??? > > OMG... Ethyl I’m having the big one!!! > > > > Mark Jones > > Oldsmar, Fl > > > > N771MJ “WunderBird” > > www.flykr2s.com > > flyk...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > On May 7, 2021, at 6:12 PM, Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > > > > Tail dragger or training wheel? > > > > > > -Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 20:59:45 -0500 > From: "Mark Wegmet" <markweg...@charter.net> > Subject: KR>Where and how did you find an affordable hanger? > To: "'KRnet'" <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADOVQWmT51NLl4MKUYY9Vs3CgAAAEAAAAI > BBVHozsWVJpxMr6dOdwJoBAAAAAA==@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've never seen this issue addressed (or I am not paying attention). I've > been collecting "parts" and have a couple of projects that I am working on > (KR2 and KR2S) and have made offers on a couple of flying KRs. > > Ultimately, when I may have found a "meeting of the minds", at the end > of the day, the deal stopper was my inability to find a hangar within 20 - > 30 miles that was available (affordability is a different issue). What have > you guys done to find a hangar to finish the build, keep the bird, and > actually go fly from? If I look at any of the EFB's/sectionals, there are > plenty of GA small airports within 20 - 30 miles, I am on three or four > "waiting " lists, but no joy. > > Any suggestions? (My neighbors are not excited about a "hangar tent" in my > yard for either storage or building, and my garage is small and full.) > > Thanks for any suggestions! > > Mark W > N952MW > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 19:59:10 -0700 > From: John Gotschall <johngotsch...@gmail.com> > Subject: KR>Re: Where and how did you find an affordable hanger? > To: KRnet <krnet@list.krnet.org> > Message-ID: > < > cady2vjd1yfg+okf9ayoq4_-n37ij9srjxzqocgxzemr4o6l...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hmm~? hanger..... > > > So my solution was I had a realtor friend who, while we were drinking > cocktails, I challenged him : "Waterfront properties are all over the > place, dime a dozen..". > > > "See if you can find me a house with a hangar and runway in the backyard!" > > He pulled it off! > > Amazing! > > I have been living in my airport property for nearly 10 years.. > > LOVE it! > > > jg > > > > On Fri, May 7, 2021, 7:00 PM Mark Wegmet <markweg...@charter.net> wrote: > > > I've never seen this issue addressed (or I am not paying attention). I've > > been collecting "parts" and have a couple of projects that I am working > on > > (KR2 and KR2S) and have made offers on a couple of flying KRs. > > > > Ultimately, when I may have found a "meeting of the minds", at the end > > of the day, the deal stopper was my inability to find a hangar within 20 > - > > 30 miles that was available (affordability is a different issue). What > have > > you guys done to find a hangar to finish the build, keep the bird, and > > actually go fly from? If I look at any of the EFB's/sectionals, there are > > plenty of GA small airports within 20 - 30 miles, I am on three or four > > "waiting " lists, but no joy. > > > > Any suggestions? (My neighbors are not excited about a "hangar tent" in > my > > yard for either storage or building, and my garage is small and full.) > > > > Thanks for any suggestions! > > > > Mark W > > N952MW > > > > ________________________________ > > -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > -Change list delivery options at > > https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info > Board > > -Search recent KRnet Archives at > > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ > > -Search < > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/-Search> > > John Boyea's decades of archive at > > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at <A HREF=" > https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/";> KRnet Empathy > Archive administration </A>. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . > To change list delivery options visit the <A HREF=" > https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org";> KRnet Affinity List > Info Board</A> . > <A HREF="https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/";>John > Bouyea's KRnet Searchable Email Archive (recent, as well as decades > old)</A> > > ------------------------------ > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 > ************************************ > ________________________________ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Boyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
