Yep, that is the one. I should have mentioned that it was an Aerovee 2180 on 
a Sonex and that would have eliminated a lot of questions I got about who's 
engine it was. I am glad you are rebuilding this engine for Bret. He will be 
able to fly with confidence with a rebuilt engine from you. Happy New Year.
Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "STEVE bennett" <ifly...@msn.com>
To: "krnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: KR> VW crank failures



Hi Mark, if your referring to a VW  hub/crank failure from WI, the only one 
I am aware of this late summer  is Bret T.  If so, it is a 2180 from a 
competitor of ours that still uses a shrink fit hub on stroked engines.  The 
engine is currently in our shop being rebuilt with an American Forged and 
Machined crankshaft and our Force One Prop Hub and Main Bearing Assembly. 
Had all of about 50 hours on it.  We sent the crank out to METCO (a metal 
testing lab) to see what it was made of and if it was a forging or not.  The 
material is E4340 and it is a forged crankshaft.  The material had a lot of 
extra sulfpher in it as well as many other impurities. It was a classic 
break on a stroker crankshaft using a shrink fit hub.  Started at back of 
small keyway, went around the crank until it met the back of the hole where 
the 20mm x 1.5 thread bottoms out. The subject crankshaft is made By/for CB 
Performance and this one was just a standard 8 dowel 82mm automotive 
crankshaft.
A little 1835 or 1915 does 80 some ft lbs of torque.  The 2180 generates 125 
ish lbs of torque.  So when using a shrink fit hub on a stroker crankshaft, 
the engine has to transmit that torque through the same small area on the 
nose of the crankshaft, just about a 50% increase in torqe!!  Works some 
times but not always!  On the stock 69mm crankshaft, the shrink fit hub or 
tapered short hub works very well.  I don't really know of any failures 
unless one has a prop strike, buddy says dial the prop hub, a new prop is 
installed and then they go fly. And then the crankshaft breaks because the 
crack was already started.  The other scenario of failure is if the hubs are 
over torqued.  The big bolt 20mm x 1.5 really only needs about 40 lbs to key 
all in place as its in compression, working just like the prop bolts do.
Sincerelyh
Steve Bennett

ifly...@msn.com

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