OK. I would not like anybody to get me wrong on this issue, and be accused 
of trying to push other builders to make widows and orphans. I believe 
that if you have a carb, then you would be well inspired to build a carb 
heat. This being said, there are many contributing factors to icing, and 
therefore, depending on where and when you fly, and how your engine is 
rigged, if you don't have a carb heat, then you might get away with it, as 
my aircraft did for more than 400 hours. 

In my case, the carb heat is not a legal requirement, and it is fairly low 
on my list of priorities. Of course, I will make one... ultimately. And in 
the mean time, I will rely on a combination of risk-reducing factors 
(airflow from inside the cockpit is one), plus the fact that the flight 
tests to reinstate the aircraft will take place  at or in the immediate 
vicinity of a large airfield.

(And I will avoid long descents with a low power setting, which are also a 
contributing factor)

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France 




"Colin Rainey" <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
2005-09-29 16:48
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Remis le : 2005-09-29 16:48


        Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
        cc :    (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
        Objet : KR> Carb Ice



No matter how many examples pilots can say how they have not had any 
problems with carb icing, my question is: 1. Why take the risk?  and 2. Do 
you really know what it is when it happens?  I have iced 3 times here in 
Florida, at low altitudes below 2000 feet, and in all 3 cases it came on 
with symptoms akin to bad plugs, wires etc.... just like some KR builders 
have talked about when testing!  My Zenith Carb iced at 1500 feet at 
nearly wide open throttle, so no wives tails about how that can't happen 
either. The Cessna 172R I flew just yesterday has fuel injection, NO 
alternate air (my correction there) throttle body unit located on bottom 
of engine for radiant heat, and still has the intake plumbed through the 
oil pan for further warming.  None of these details are any KR builders 
using on carb or fuel injection.

Fact is it can happen any where at any time when conditions are right. 
High humidity, correct temperature, and cooling fuel thru the carb and 
bingo, carb ice.  Visible moisture makes it worse, but is not necessary. 
Not having carb heat, OR insufficient carb heat will lead to an unplanned 
landing!   No venturi does NOT mean that you cannot get carb icing. The 
slider still causes a pressure drop in order for fuel to flow, and with 
the cooling effect of the fuel added to the intake air, you have carb ice. 
 A quick check of most modern cars will show as Virgil pointed out that 
coolant is circulated in an area at or very near the throttlebody of all 
fuel injected cars and trucks.  Ford is BSing you. Get the truck fixed. It 
has nothing to do with California.  It has to do with them being lazy, and 
not wanting to do a repair that they can only bill Ford for 75% of 
customer pay!

Builders do what you want, but a short study of accidents where an engine 
was lost for no apparent reason, and all the testaments here of its 
necessity, and do yourself a favor and install and maintain carb/intake 
heat.


Colin Rainey
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
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