Slight forward pressure on the stick, I don't have to push it to the stop.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Jacobs 


  Normally I go full power and the tail is off the ground, 2 up I have
  about 20 meters ground roll before the tail comes up


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  Barry - do you let it come up by itself, or do you deliberately bring it
  up with down elevator?  Full down?

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