> [Original Message] > From: <krnet-requ...@mylist.net> > To: <kr...@mylist.net> > Date: 11/5/2004 9:51:38 AM > Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 194 > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > kr...@mylist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > krnet-requ...@mylist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-ow...@mylist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: ELT antenna (Doug Rupert) > 2. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Mark Jones) > 3. cabin heat (joe) > 4. Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (boeing757me...@aol.com) > 5. Re: cabin heat (Dan Heath) > 6. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (patrusso) > 7. RE:GARMIN (Peter Waijenberg) > 8. Re: Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (Dan Heath) > 9. RE: Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)) > 10. RE: RE:GARMIN (Stephen Jacobs) > 11. RE: RE:GARMIN (Dan Heath) > 12. KR Membership (Mark Jones) > 13. Re: KR Membership (patrusso) > 14. RE: KR Membership (Mark Jones) > 15. Re: KR Membership (Scott) > 16. RE: Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Dana Overall) > 17. RE:GARMIN (Peter Waijenberg) > 18. ailerons / tailwheels / Garmin (larry flesner) > 19. Re: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Ron Butterfield) > 20. RE: GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) (Mark Jones) > 21. Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (larry flesner) > 22. Re: Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (jscott.pi...@juno.com) > 23. Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (The Ainsworths) > 24. Re: Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net (Ron Eason) > 25. The Garmin deal (Orma) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:04:02 -0500 > From: "Doug Rupert" <drup...@sympatico.ca> > Subject: RE: KR> ELT antenna > To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <000c01c4c2f4$e54464d0$8704e440@office> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dan just lightly scuff the aluminum plate with steel wool, sandpaper or > whatever then wipe it down with solvent to make sure it is clean and shiny > prior to installing the tape. The problems Ron was referring to are a common > misconception as most electricians didn't follow the proper methods for > installing aluminum wiring and this was the cause of the house fires. Also > aluminum wire is less forgiving than copper and very brittle so any slack at > all in installation can cause the wire to break resulting in a short and > resulting fire. All those high tension wires you see around the country are > made from aluminum and I haven't seen any of them on fire lately. > Doug Rupert > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:25:53 -0600 > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> > Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce & Specialty > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Cc: jimir...@aircraftspruce.com > Message-ID: <00d201c4c2f7$f0f64ac0$6401a...@wi.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I can not keep quite any longer as I work for a distributor which represents over one hundred and fifty manufacturers of industrial process controls. There are many of our manufacturers that set prices and do not allow us, the distributor, to sell lower than their minimum selling price. This price is not necessarily list price. Another issue with manufacturers is that most have protected territories in which a distributor can not sell outside of their territory. This is not the case with a company like AS&.S since they are a worldwide catalog house (i.e.Grainger, McMaster, Wicks, etc). If Garmin has a set minimum price with their distributors and have signed contracts with said distributor and a contracted distributor is selling below that contracted price, then said distributor is in breech of contract. If a distributor learns of another distributor, then it is at the discretion of that distributor to report such actions to the principal manufacturer. In the case of Mr. Irwin, he is simply protecting his and other reputable distributors interest in the principal manufacturer's product he represents. Mr. Irwin's only mistake here was to publicly call that distributors hand on this issue. However, we all make mistakes and I admit I have made many myself in my 28 years of selling. Having said that, I must go to bat for Mr. Irwin and AS&S. Why you ask? Because Mr. Irwin has gone to bat for me with one of his principals, on an issue which was not the fault of AS&S, resolved the problem and treated me both fairly and respectfully. He personally handled the issue and followed it through till it was completely resolved. And with my knowledge of selling, I know he took a loss when all burdens of cost were factored into what I had purchased. I can sympathize with his concern with this distributor selling below contracted price because I have had the same type of issues arise in my sales career. I honestly feel all of you have strongly expressed your opinions and concerns and Mr. Irwin will address this appropriately. We all spread our money around to many suppliers of aircraft components, both large and small. AS&S is a large supplier of aircraft components and carries what others do not. So let's not be so harsh on Mr. Irwin, he is only trying to protect his interest in this manufacturer. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:43:04 -0800 > From: "joe" <feg...@earthlink.net> > Subject: KR> cabin heat > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <002201c4c2fa$524e6b20$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm kind of new, however the subject of cabin heat has not come up in any of the literature I've gone through. I saw a > portable heater at a truck stop that plugs into a cigarette > lighter for around 40 dollars. Not sure it is safe. any heat > available in the KR. > Joe > feg...@earthlink.net > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:43:52 EST > From: boeing757me...@aol.com > Subject: KR>Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: kr...@mylist.net > Message-ID: <15.371956c6.2ebc8...@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > <Interesting that you should be a member Mr. Irwin - > <what are you building? KR1? KR2? KR2S? > > I've been saying all along that Jim Irwin has a sign on to Kr-net. If you > have a problem with them and post it on here he will start emailing you. I don't > know why we allow him to be a member. Its not like he donates any money or > does great things for the KR. After all doesn't the new catalog for Wicks has a > KR on the cover? Hummmm. I don't recall ACS&S doing anything like that. I've > said it before and I will say it again. I will never buy From ACS&S again unless > they are the last people on earth selling what I need. > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:35:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net> > Subject: Re: KR> cabin heat > To: "kr...@mylist.net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <418B5766.00000B.03736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Joe, > > If you look at http://kr-builder.org/CockpitWork/index.html you will see > what I have done to provide cabin heat and fresh air. We have a VW engine, > so we are going to do it sort of VWish, coming off the exhaust. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:29:35 -0500 > From: "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net> > Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <001901c4c322$59370960$a8a972d8@3z4xt01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Why are we faulting A/S. What they are trying to say is that their supplier, > ie the manufacturer won't deal with them except under certain price > restrictions....or fixing!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > F > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 02:41:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Peter Waijenberg <plj...@yahoo.com> > Subject: KR> RE:GARMIN > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <20041105104159.33153.qm...@web11325.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >I don't know why we allow him to be a member. Its not > like he donates >any money or does great things for > the KR. > > > > > Excuse me for saying this but I think this issue is > pulled out of proportion. I am also not donating any > money or building a KR, although I have the plans. > Thus I have no right to be here. I was under the > impression that anybody could join. > > Some of us are walking around eyes shut. Every company > that I know has price agreements. This is normal > practice and I think in America too. I know, got my > own business. Price agreements protect us as the buyer > so that the dealer wont sell at high prices and > protect dealers for not stealing business from other > dealers by selling at low prices. > > All that Mr. Irwin did was to point out the reality to > us. I have red his mail three times over and dont > understand what the fuss is all about. But it seems it > is normal practice to get flamed for being honest. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:06:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net> > Subject: Re: KR>Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: "kr...@mylist.net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <418B5EAF.00000D.03736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > RE: I've been saying all along that Jim Irwin has a sign on to Kr-net. > > I think that it is smart business to know your customers, but I think Jim > made a mistake in making the public statement that he made. That should have > been handled among those concerned. > > I have communicated with him in the past and he is a most reasonable person > who has a sincere desire to satisfy his customers. The problem is, his > employees must not share in his vision because they don't treat his > customers like he does. > > Also, NO membership required. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:30:48 +0100 > From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" <alexander.bi...@ericsson.com> > Subject: RE: KR>Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: > <b7ba5afdb2d6a94ca6a2aa8a4bd2aea9058f2...@esealnt766.al.sw.ericsson.se> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I do not know Mr. Irwin since I am from Europe, but it seems to be true about his personnel. I do have not so positive experience with AS&S. I did my order and requested some small samples of foam but no body read about, and of course did not received the samples. Have a promise that samples are sent to me (after complain) but so far did not received yet(more than a month). > > Alex Birca, > Moldova > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:06 PM > To: kr...@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR>Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > > RE: I've been saying all along that Jim Irwin has a sign on to Kr-net. > > I think that it is smart business to know your customers, but I think Jim > made a mistake in making the public statement that he made. That should have > been handled among those concerned. > > I have communicated with him in the past and he is a most reasonable person > who has a sincere desire to satisfy his customers. The problem is, his > employees must not share in his vision because they don't treat his > customers like he does. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:36:10 +0200 > From: "Stephen Jacobs" <ask...@microlink.zm> > Subject: RE: KR> RE:GARMIN > To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <000801c4c32b$abba2650$8b64a8c0@home> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All that Mr. Irwin did was to point out the reality to > us. > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > Everythi8ng that has been said regarding the legitimacy of price control > etc. is valid and true. > > What Mr. Irwin did was to intercept privileged information on this site > and drop one of the members (and his supplier) in the dwang. > > A few weeks ago members were discussing the tax laws in various states. > How would you feel if you discussed (with your buddies on the net) that > you had not been taxed on your airplane - and a week later the inspector > arrived at your door with a fine, claim for back taxes and a tax bill > because some other righteous citizen felt honour bound to tip off the > relevant authorities. > > This is a private forum that is maintained and offered at no cost and > (as far as I am concerned) nobody has any "rights" to do anything other > than learn and contribute. > > Steve J > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:41:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net> > Subject: RE: KR> RE:GARMIN > To: "kr...@mylist.net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <418B66CE.00000F.03736@DANHOMECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Amen! > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > -------Original Message------- > > This is a private forum that is maintained and offered at no cost and > > (as far as I am concerned) nobody has any "rights" to do anything other > > than learn and contribute. > > Steve J > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:51:03 -0600 > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> > Subject: KR> KR Membership > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <002501c4c32d$bef3a640$6401a...@wi.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The KR Net is a free non-profit organization and is open for ANYONE to join. We do not discriminate against anyone unless they are on the Net and abuse the privileges of the Nets use. Some of you guys are saying that AS&S has no interest our KR Group other than for their profit. Some say why is Jim on the list because he never donates money or anything else. WELL HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DONATED MONEY TO OUR CAUSES (Example: The Prop Bank Fund which I can count all the donors on my two hands. The problem is we as humans love to find fault in everything another human does. A good example is this past Presidential election. So lets get off this bandwagon. You know, if more of you would spend less time on this net and learn to search the archives, you would be flying a lot sooner. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:02:12 -0500 > From: "patrusso" <patru...@sover.net> > Subject: Re: KR> KR Membership > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <001d01c4c337$ab070c80$7da972d8@3z4xt01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > What Archives?? Where?? How?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:51 AM > Subject: KR> KR Membership > > > > The KR Net is a free non-profit organization and is open for ANYONE to > join. We do not discriminate against anyone unless they are on the Net and > abuse the privileges of the Nets use. Some of you guys are saying that AS&S > has no interest our KR Group other than for their profit. Some say why is > Jim on the list because he never donates money or anything else. WELL HOW > MANY OF YOU HAVE DONATED MONEY TO OUR CAUSES (Example: The Prop Bank Fund > which I can count all the donors on my two hands. The problem is we as > humans love to find fault in everything another human does. A good example > is this past Presidential election. So lets get off this bandwagon. You > know, if more of you would spend less time on this net and learn to search > the archives, you would be flying a lot sooner. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:21:00 -0600 > From: Mark Jones <mjo...@muellersales.com> > Subject: RE: KR> KR Membership > To: 'KRnet' <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902CA7@SIC-EXCHANGE> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Here are two archive links you can search with. > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > Simply type in the key search words and hit enter. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > > > -----Original Message----- > From: patrusso [mailto:patru...@sover.net] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:02 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> KR Membership > > What Archives?? Where?? How?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com> > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 6:51 AM > Subject: KR> KR Membership > > > > The KR Net is a free non-profit organization and is open for ANYONE to > join. We do not discriminate against anyone unless they are on the Net and > abuse the privileges of the Nets use. Some of you guys are saying that AS&S > has no interest our KR Group other than for their profit. Some say why is > Jim on the list because he never donates money or anything else. WELL HOW > MANY OF YOU HAVE DONATED MONEY TO OUR CAUSES (Example: The Prop Bank Fund > which I can count all the donors on my two hands. The problem is we as > humans love to find fault in everything another human does. A good example > is this past Presidential election. So lets get off this bandwagon. You > know, if more of you would spend less time on this net and learn to search > the archives, you would be flying a lot sooner. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:28:10 -0500 > From: Scott <ke4...@ctc.net> > Subject: Re: KR> KR Membership > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <418b7fea.9080...@ctc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Search engine for the archives is http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > If you just want to peruse the archive you can find them at > http://www.bouyea.net/digests/index.htm > > Scott > Raleigh NC > > patrusso wrote: > > >What Archives?? Where?? How?? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:38:49 -0500 > From: "Dana Overall" <bo12...@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: KR> Aircraft Spruce & Specialty > To: kr...@mylist.net > Message-ID: <bay14-f36n5u9t3tgj20000d...@hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Gang, there's no other way to say this than...................The Garmin > price is such old, old, old hat it's rediculous. Most people knew of this > at the introduction date of the unit prior to Oshkosh LAST YEAR. Garmin can > and does set the minimum price companies can sell their products at, it is > not price fixing. > > Jim did the KRNet a service is letting many people know what is common > knowledge, sorry no other way to say it. > > Jeez gang................. > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com/ > http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg > do not archive > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:44:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Peter Waijenberg <plj...@yahoo.com> > Subject: KR> RE:GARMIN > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <20041105134414.46266.qm...@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >A few weeks ago members were discussing the tax laws > >in various states. How would you feel if you > >discussed (with your buddies on the net) that > >you had not been taxed on your airplane - and a week > >later the inspector arrived at your door with a fine, > >claim for back taxes and a tax bill because some > >other righteous citizen felt honour bound to tip off > >the relevant authorities. > > Point taken, but then it is an open forum. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:17:37 -0600 > From: larry flesner <fles...@midwest.net> > Subject: KR> ailerons / tailwheels / Garmin > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041105081737.007e1...@pop.midwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >You really shouldn't be using ailerons in a stall anyway. That is a good > >way to wind up in a spin. Shortening the outboard side of the ailerons > >would actually help to keep a turning stall or cross control stall from > >becoming a spin. > >Brian Kraut > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > AILERONS: > > With the KR, (my KR anyway) the ailerons remain effective through > the stall and are really the only means of keeping the wings level. > Trying to level the wings with rudder, as in a Cessna, will only cause > the aircraft to enter more of a forward slip attitude. I have the three > degrees washout called for in the plans so other KR's built differently > will handle differently. (In my KR) the outboard end of the wing is > is where the control is during a stall. > > I was "playing" a bit on my last flight and did a couple of stalls. On > one stall I cut the power and kept increasing back pressure on the > stick as it slowed and was able to keep the altimeter needle from > moving till just above the stall. When the airspeed got to the unreadable > area, about 40 to 45 mph and with occasional airframe buffeting, I held > that nose up attitude. The vertical speed indicator came off zero and > slowly moved to 500 fpm decent. A slight "twitch" of the stick was > all it needed to keep the wings level. It felt like I was falling under > a parachute of something. AWESOME !! > > TAILWHEEL: > > I was reminded in a private e-mail that I over-generalized in my statement > that "side loads will cause a steerable / full swivel tailwheel to unlock". > A bit like saying the reciepe for an omlet is eggs. While it does take > sideloads to move the tailwheel to the full swivel range it must first > rotate to the unlock position. Different tailwheels use different locking > methods so I won't go in to that. > > I'll modify my earlier statement to say "unless restricted, such as a > direct cable attachment with the rudders locked, sideloads will cause > the tailwheel to unlock and go to full swivel. My tailwheel cables are > attached with springs. If I lock my rudder peddles with my feet and > apply one brake, the sideload on the tailwheel will pull any slack from > the steering cable, stretch the spring until it has rotated to the unlock > position, and then if still sideloaded will go in to the full swivel range. > It will / should lock itself when back in the steerable range. > > So, the tailwheel can either be steered to or forced to the unlock > position with sideloads, but the unit will not go to full swivel without > sideloads. When I want to move my KR on the ground I just push > sideways on the tail, the tailwheel rotates by pulling the rudder > cables / steering cables / stretching the steering springs until it gets > to the unlock position and then it goes to full swivel. I've never > had it come unlocked on takeoff or landing. Is that better now? > > GARMIN: > > I "suspect" the Garmin issue is more of an "advertising agreement" > than an actual "sales agreement". I "suspect" the agreement is > not to advertise a price lower than the MSRP ( manufactures > suggested retail price) than an agreement not to sell below a > certian price. Hence the "call for a special price" statements > you see with many retailers. I'm betting Jim is still slapping his > forhead for his decision to share with us his intent to contact > Garmin on the issue. I would advise fellow Netters not to be too > quick to "shoot the messanger" for something that is probably > and industry standard. Believe it or not, even I have made errors > in judgement on occassion. :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:31:02 -0500 > From: Ron Butterfield <rbutterfi...@mebtel.net> > Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041105092933.019a0...@pop.mebtel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > At 08:53 PM 11/4/04, Brant Hollensbe wrote: > ><snip> > > For the president of a dealership to go public and announce that > >he has turned another dealership in and why, is a very poor bussiness > >practice indeed. > > Why did nobody notice the AOL.com address and wonder if this is a fake? > > As usual, I get suspicious if a purported company email comes from some > other domain. > > > Regards, > RonB > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:42:04 -0600 > From: Mark Jones <mjo...@muellersales.com> > Subject: RE: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) > To: 'KRnet' <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <370D915E4564D611B0530050DABB9FC201902CA9@SIC-EXCHANGE> > Content-Type: text/plain > > No, it is not a fake address. I have communicated with Jim many times at > that address. > > Mark Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Butterfield [mailto:rbutterfi...@mebtel.net] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:31 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> GPSMAP 296 @ Discount prices (AC Spruce) > > At 08:53 PM 11/4/04, Brant Hollensbe wrote: > ><snip> > > For the president of a dealership to go public and announce that > >he has turned another dealership in and why, is a very poor bussiness > >practice indeed. > > Why did nobody notice the AOL.com address and wonder if this is a fake? > > As usual, I get suspicious if a purported company email comes from some > other domain. > > > Regards, > RonB > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:44:50 -0600 > From: larry flesner <fles...@midwest.net> > Subject: KR> Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20041105084450.007df...@pop.midwest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I don't > >know why we allow him to be a member. Its not like he donates any money or > >does great things for the KR. > >Chris Theroux > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > AS&S did donate $50 in gift certificates and shipped, at their expense, > 50 catalogs to be distributed at the KR Gathering. Thank you AS&S. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:05:47 GMT > From: "jscott.pi...@juno.com" <jscott.pi...@juno.com> > Subject: Re: KR> Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: kr...@mylist.net > Message-ID: <20041105.070548.19155.43...@webmail10.lax.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > Jim Irwin and his father before him have been responsible businessmen supplying parts for experimental and sport aircraft for as long as I've been around aircraft (30+ years). > > Jim simply stated the facts and may have kept some people from committing their funds to a deal that may not have been on the up and up. As is typical of this forum, the messenger was berated rather than thanked for supplying the facts. > > Most of the parts for my KR came from Aircraft Spruce because they had a better selection of parts and better prices on their parts. With the volume sales that Aircraft Spruce can do, if they were allowed to legally discount the Garmin units, they would. As a business man, it's got to be tough to lose sales to someone that is clearly in violation of the same contract you are abiding by. It may not have been politically astute to inform the 500+ members of the KRNet that he had complained to Garmin about another dealer violating their sales contract, but as a member of the buying public, I would rather know that the other dealer is being underhanded. I'd rather pay more to deal with an honest businessman than save a few dollars and deal with a crook. > > Jeff Scott > > ________________________________________________________________ > Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. > Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! > Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:11:09 -0500 > From: "The Ainsworths" <garya...@kwic.com> > Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce & Specialty > To: <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <000001c4c349$b4bbec20$1a24cdd1@computer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Mark and others > As the person who started this thread I agree with Mark wholeheartedly, > yet, this reply by Mr Irwin should have gone to the home address of the > discounter and not the KRnet. It was, I feel, a 'knee jerk' reaction and > should have not happened. I am sure Mr Irwin wishes he could undue what > has been said, but discretion on his part was not used. This 'thread' > should be put to rest now. Enough.... > Gary > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:47:01 -0800 > From: "Ron Eason" <r...@jrl-engineering.com> > Subject: Re: KR> Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net > To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <200411050747.aa1013252...@jrl-engineering.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I second that statement. > > KRron > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "jscott.pi...@juno.com" <jscott.pi...@juno.com> > Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:05:47 GMT > > > Jim Irwin and his father before him have been responsible businessmen supplying parts for experimental and sport aircraft for as long as I've been around aircraft (30+ years). > > Jim simply stated the facts and may have kept some people from committing their funds to a deal that may not have been on the up and up. As is typical of this forum, the messenger was berated rather than thanked for supplying the facts. > > Most of the parts for my KR came from Aircraft Spruce because they had a better selection of parts and better prices on their parts. With the volume sales that Aircraft Spruce can do, if they were allowed to legally discount the Garmin units, they would. As a business man, it's got to be tough to lose sales to someone that is clearly in violation of the same contract you are abiding by. It may not have been politically astute to inform the 500+ members of the KRNet that he had complained to Garmin about another dealer violating their sales contract, but as a member of the buying public, I would rather know that the other dealer is being underhanded. I'd rather pay more to deal with an honest businessman than save a few dollars and deal with a crook. > > Jeff Scott > > ________________________________________________________________ > Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. > Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! > Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at jrl-engineering.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:49:28 -0500 > From: "Orma" <o...@aviation-mechanics.com> > Subject: KR> The Garmin deal > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > Message-ID: <007001c4c34f$09b55d10$b7a6ff44@ROBBINS1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Net > I'm not going to say me too, but I can't help but to add two cents worth. We as home builders have a responsibility to try to get the best deal on anything that we buy. It is a shame that a supplier that wants to do business with home builders, would actively seek to stop members of this group from cashing in on a good thing. Especially when the knowledge and corrupted knowledge of what happened to this group will be spread across the internet just like a virus. I personally would be afraid that the damage to my company might just be greater then just the lost opportunity and profit from a few over priced GPS's. I personally know of lots of homebuilders of other types beyond the KR, and other groups are also represented within our KR net. The gift of catalogs, a couple of tee shirts and hats are sales tools designed to generate more business for the company. Even the gift of far more valuable prizes is still only a tool. All companies do the same thing. > Any one who wants the homebuilt business should make deals available and not try to suppress the one's that we find. My purchases from AS&S are and will remain the same, based on Price and Availability. The loss of market share has caused a lot of businesses to lower prices. Perhaps it something to wish for. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > N110LR celebrating 20 years > Flying, flying and more flying > http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 194 > ***************************************
