All glider pilots have to do spin training (in Australia anyway) because 
thermalling is done in tight, slow turns, perfect spin conditions. I would 
suggest that getting spin training in a glider is more economical (it is here, 
glider $30/hr plus launch fees), every landing is a forced landing and when 
doing cross country flights you learn to read the air currents and the ground 
features that produce lift and sink.  

I would do at least 1 spin in 90% of all flights in a glider and only 10% of 
those would be on purpose.  Let me put that in to better context,  the best 
lift in a thermal is near it's centre, to get best climb out of a glider thats 
where I want to be. Therefore angle of bank arround 45 degrees, speed down to 
stall, fly with top rudder to side slip the aircraft marginally into the centre 
of the turn (this makes the fuslage create lift), now hit a little air pocket 
which changes you AoA and spinning you are.  It is happens so often now that I 
barely loose 50ft and less than 1/4 turn in the spin.  In some of the aircraft 
I catch the spin way before it happens as they mush before stalling.

regards
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
RAA 19-3873

k...@bigpond.com
http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Freiberger 
  To: KRnet 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:08 AM
  Subject: RE: KR> The 'killer turn'


    Maybe an A of A
  indicator that has a warning device that is a big fist that comes
  out of
  the panel and smacks us between the eyes to get our attention is
  the
  answer.  :-)

  Larry Flesner
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

  Perfect answer Larry; where can I get one?

  Ron Freiberger
  mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com







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