Chris Prata wrote: >> I communicated in the background with others and this was the best solution. I would add that there have been complaints that people are being "banned" for being constructive. THIS IS NOT GOOD.<<
I'm guessing those "complaints" came from "Nero" and Doran. Yes, I threw both Nero and Doran off the list yesterday. It sure got quiet from those two didn't it? "Being constructive" is a matter of opinion, and unfortunately for them, it's my opinion that matters. Job well done, I'd say. They join about thirty others that have I've unsubscribed over the years, and the list is a better place for it. It's a pretty high bar to get unsubscribed, so they should both be quite proud. >> Note that the current approach is NOT WORKING. "Banning" people will simply break the list community we all enjoy. It's just a way to double down on whats not working.<< The current approach works fine for those who follow the rules and ask well-thought-out questions in a succinct manner, and for those of us who reply with real solutions to builder's problems, and will start working for the rest when smartphone users and those "too busy" to follow the simple rules (or spend a few minutes figuring out how) either get on board with the program or gradually get thrown off the list to go live with Doran and "Nero". The "community" has been fine for decades, and it really doesn't take a lot of brain cells to read the rules and at least make some attempt to comply with them. Throwing malcontents overboard is a bump in the road for some, an improvement for others. For those who are in too big a hurry to ask a question in the proper format, there's always the archive...if you can stand the repetition of the posts! It's funny...neither of these guys replied, years ago when they joined the list, to provide some basic personal information to help ensure that they were not spammers or trolls. I received no information from either, but let them slide because I found some evidence that each of those email addresses was indeed involved in aviation in some way. I should not have to sleuth new users to ensure their validity. This should have been my clue that neither was forthcoming, nor were they willing to be held accountable for their posts. Again, everybody on this list is welcome to "vote with your feet" and go join them. I find it amusing that I'm accused of slightly violating one of the rules, when it was a response to hundreds of people repeatedly violating the rules on a daily basis. And yes, it was in anger! I'm sorry, but I've simply had enough of the complete disregard for those who will search the archive for answers in the future. My guess is that those who refuse to follow the rules have never tried to search the archive, and therefore have no understanding of why they should bother doing anything other than simply texting a few words and hitting the send button. I am often told that KRnet is one of the best all-around lists devoted to experimental airplane construction. VansAirForce no doubt wins top honors nowadays, but RV's don't offer nearly the opportunity for modification or improvement to the design, and are at an entirely different level of cash outlay too. I would like to think that KRnet is run with a conscience that is fair to all who are here to learn or assist. As for your SOLUTION, there may be a spam filter in MailMan that will hold or reject email containing an exact text string. Unfortunately, what that means for me is that people will join the list (after having NOT read the rules that were sent to them) and will try to post. Their first reply to an email will be discarded because they didn't delete the text that includes the string, and then they email the list owner (me) wondering why their post didn't go through. So guess what happens to my workload? And then, after I point them to the rules again and the instructions to trim their post (which includes the magic text string)...if they actually want an answer to their question, they have to follow the rules and learn how to trim their post anyway! What's the benefit? It's bad enough that at least one person a day tries to send a 10MB photo to the list (with a limit of 200KB)...I don't need to multiply that by five. Why do I care how big the pictures are? Read the rules! One things' for sure...I'm certainly not going to trash the current list and archive to start another one using MajorDomo! Is it really so hard to: A) give us a clue what you are responding to B) delete most of the previous post and the footer below it C) make a significant and helpful reply D) and give us some clue of who and where you are? Ok, that's two hours I could have been doing something much more constructive, but at least I defined the minimum posting requirements for your basic idiot...A through D above. If you ask me about this thread at the Gathering, you'd be well advised to hand me a beer first... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com >
