Larry & Steve, I did not attend the Gathering this year, but follow the KR net
every day. First, I want to thank Larry for all the years at Mt Vernon.
Larry, you did an outstanding job as did Chris and many others...THANK YOU!
Steve, I don't believe that you should incur ANY out of pocket expense, no
matter what the reason. The fact that you did the job, and an excellent one
from all reports, is all that's expected from a host. THANK YOU! Now for the
bottom line, I'm sure that Dan, Mark L, Mark J, Joe, Larry, and all other KR
people will join me in offering to reimburse you for any out of pocket
expenses. I also know that you are too much of a gentleman to post those
expenses publicly, so if you will contact me off net, I will be glad to
contribute to those expenses. Thank you both for your dedication to the KR
family.
Jim Brewer
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1. THANKS STEVE and Gathering Funds (danrh at windstream.net)
2. Re: 2015 Gathering (Dan Prichard)
3. Gathering Funds (Flesner)
4. Re: 2015 Gathering (Dan Heath)
5. Gathering Funds (Dan Heath)
6. Re: Gathering Funds (Flesner)
7. Re: Gathering Funds (Steve G.)
8. Re: 2015 Gathering (Dan Prichard)
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:06:50 -0400
From: <danrh at windstream.net>
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> THANKS STEVE and Gathering Funds
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Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from year to
year and passed on to each host. The purpose of that fund is to re-imburse the
host for expenses occurred during, before, and after that are related to
putting on the event.
Larry F. can discuss the details of this with the group and I hope he will,
because everyone needs to understand where the funds come from and how they are
replenished from year to year.
I am all for a fee, if this fund is not sufficient, but the Gathering has been
going on for many years without having to impose a fee and if the host is
getting hit with any expenses, that has been kept a secret from me.
I now turn the floor over to Larry.
PS: Thanks Steve. I hope you were not out any cash, but I know that you
expended a lot of energy and time, and it showed.
Dan Heath
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:51:08 -0700
From: Dan Prichard <dprich01 at comcast.net>
To: "Teate, Stephen" <STeate at compositecooling.com>, KRnet
<krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
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Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the
worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft
museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation
historical society 100 miles to the south.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:51 AM, "Teate, Stephen via KRnet" <krnet at
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> " ulterior motives in targeting the McMinnville Gathering"
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> Since it is Friday let me see if I can get something started. About 180 miles
> north of McMinnville is the Flying Heritage Collection Museum. It has the
> ONLY model of the greatest propeller driven aircraft of WW2, the Focke-Wulf
> 190 D-13.
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> Stephen Teate
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:21:43 -0500
From: Flesner <flesner at frontier.com>
To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: KR> Gathering Funds
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>Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from
>year to year and passed on to each host. The purpose of that fund
>is to re-imburse the host for expenses occurred during, before, and
>after that are related to putting on the event.
>Larry F. can discuss the details of this with the group and I hope
>he will, because everyone needs to understand where the funds come
>from and how they are replenished from year to year
>Dan Heath
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How to make a long story short?
I received the Gathering funds from Linda Bennett after the 2003
Gathering in the amount of $1865. With good luck and the generosity
of the attendees, the fund grew to $5008 over the 9 out of 10 years I
hosted the Gathering at Mt.Vernon. That made it possible to host the
Gathering without any out of pocket expenses other than purchasing my
hat, shirt, banquet ticket, and the 100 mile round trips to Mt.Vernon
for planning and setup.
In July I advanced $4000 to Steve, the amount he thought sufficient
to cover expenses. I still hold $1008 in reserve. If Steve has
uncovered personal expenses he could be reimbursed with the
reserve. As we have no formal management of the funds I accepted
responsibility for holding them from 2004, the first year I hosted
the Gathering, with the exception of 2010 when I forwarded them to
Dana Overall when he hosted at Richmond, Kentucky.
The complete financial accounting for all years since 2004 (except
2010 when Dana hosted) were available at the Gathering web site until
Bob Lee was no longer able to manage the site. I'm guessing they are
available somewhere and I still have the statement for 2013 that was
never posted with the $5008 balance. The Gathering site has been
pared down considerably but I can e-mail Steve the file for posting
if desired.
That leads us to the question of "who handles the funds"? I'm
inclined at this point to forward the remaining funds to Steve. He
can combine them with the funds from this years Gathernig and forward
them on to Dan for the 2015 Gathering. I had felt rather protective
of handling the funds after 10 years of having it grow to a
comfortable working amount but the Gathering has moved on so I feel
it's time for other host to accept that responsibility. I'm not
comfortable being responsible for something I have no control over.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it............:-)
Larry Flesner
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:02:30 -0400
From: "Dan Heath" <danrh at windstream.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
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I want to encourage my wife to attend this one. What do you have that might
entice spouses who are not particularly interested in airplanes to want to
come to the area?
See N64KR at <http://krbuilder.org/> http://krbuilder.org/- Then click on
the pics
Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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via KRnet
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:51 PM
To: Teate, Stephen; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the
worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft
museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation
historical society 100 miles to the south.
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 06:11:16 -0400
From: "Dan Heath" <danrh at windstream.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: KR> Gathering Funds
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Great story. One more thing, please explain to the KR community, how these
funds were able to grow over the years. What are the income sources? I
believe that this should show why we do not need attendance fees.
See N64KR at <http://krbuilder.org/> http://krbuilder.org/- Then click on
the pics
Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
-----Original Message-----
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
KRnet
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:22 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Gathering Funds
>Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from
>year to year and passed on to each host. The purpose of that fund is
>to re-imburse the host for expenses occurred during, before, and after
>that are related to putting on the event.
>Larry F. can discuss the details of this with the group and I hope he
>will, because everyone needs to understand where the funds come from
>and how they are replenished from year to year Dan Heath
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How to make a long story short?
I received the Gathering funds from Linda Bennett after the 2003
Gathering in the amount of $1865. With good luck and the generosity
of the attendees, the fund grew to $5008 over the 9 out of 10 years I
hosted the Gathering at Mt.Vernon. That made it possible to host the
Gathering without any out of pocket expenses other than purchasing my
hat, shirt, banquet ticket, and the 100 mile round trips to Mt.Vernon
for planning and setup.
In July I advanced $4000 to Steve, the amount he thought sufficient
to cover expenses. I still hold $1008 in reserve. If Steve has
uncovered personal expenses he could be reimbursed with the
reserve. As we have no formal management of the funds I accepted
responsibility for holding them from 2004, the first year I hosted
the Gathering, with the exception of 2010 when I forwarded them to
Dana Overall when he hosted at Richmond, Kentucky.
The complete financial accounting for all years since 2004 (except
2010 when Dana hosted) were available at the Gathering web site until
Bob Lee was no longer able to manage the site. I'm guessing they are
available somewhere and I still have the statement for 2013 that was
never posted with the $5008 balance. The Gathering site has been
pared down considerably but I can e-mail Steve the file for posting
if desired.
That leads us to the question of "who handles the funds"? I'm
inclined at this point to forward the remaining funds to Steve. He
can combine them with the funds from this years Gathernig and forward
them on to Dan for the 2015 Gathering. I had felt rather protective
of handling the funds after 10 years of having it grow to a
comfortable working amount but the Gathering has moved on so I feel
it's time for other host to accept that responsibility. I'm not
comfortable being responsible for something I have no control over.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it............:-)
Larry Flesner
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:57:28 -0500
From: Flesner <flesner at frontier.com>
To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Funds
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At 05:11 AM 9/20/2014, you wrote:
>please explain to the KR community, how these
>funds were able to grow over the years. What are the income sources? I
>believe that this should show why we do not need attendance fees.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The last 3 years were pretty much "break even" on expenses /
income. Hat / shirt sales generally have sales covering
expenses. The banquet was a bit of a money maker, maybe $250 to $300
or so. Awards were all expenses, no income. The funds were able to
grow over the years mainly through the generosity of the attendees
with donations at the banquet when we "passed the hat". The best
year as I recall was in the $700 dollar range. Attendance was down
at Mt.Vernon the last few years but the fund held it's own at the
$5000 dollar mark, going up and down by several hundred dollars each
year. We were fortunate at Mt.Vernon to not have a lot of operating
expenses and great support from the airport and restaurant. Not
every location has that kind of backing. I have the financial
statement for the last three years, 2011, 2012, 2013, that I'll send
to Steve. He can post it on the Gathering site for your review.
I'm sure Steve will make a full report when he finds time to rap
things up. We'll see how it shakes out this year.
Larry Flesner
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:00:51 -0700
From: "Steve G." <n925sg at gmail.com>
To: "'Flesner'" <flesner at frontier.com>, "'KRnet'"
<krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Funds
Message-ID: <002601cfd4db$4a619830$df24c890$@com>
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Larry Wrote:
The last 3 years were pretty much "break even" on expenses / income. Hat /
shirt sales generally have sales covering expenses. The banquet was a bit
of a money maker, maybe $250 to $300 or so. Awards were all expenses, no
income. The funds were able to grow over the years mainly through the
generosity of the attendees with donations at the banquet when we "passed
the hat". The best year as I recall was in the $700 dollar range.
Attendance was down at Mt.Vernon the last few years but the fund held it's
own at the
$5000 dollar mark, going up and down by several hundred dollars each year.
We were fortunate at Mt.Vernon to not have a lot of operating expenses and
great support from the airport and restaurant. Not every location has that
kind of backing. I have the financial statement for the last three years,
2011, 2012, 2013, that I'll send to Steve. He can post it on the Gathering
site for your review.
I'm sure Steve will make a full report when he finds time to rap things up.
We'll see how it shakes out this year.
Larry Flesner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am fortunate enough to have Kiku to take care of all the bookkeeping for
me. This is what we does for a living and so I am happy for her to take on
this task. After a few of the shirt and hat orders are completed I will be
able to post the outcome. Larry is right. Having a facility that provides
nearly all of your logistical support is huge. We had to rent tables and
chairs, banquet was more than I expected with a few extras added in plus tax
and gratuity. Awards add up quick as well. We won't make money this year
given the location and items required but it shouldn't too bad either. Some
additional expenses we incurred this year was buying a new domain for the
Gathering website and a form site for the registration process. After
spending a ton of time trying to fix what we had I just started from scratch
to streamline the registration process. It made things much easier with my
time constraints.
Many of the expenses I incurred personally were due to my not planning
properly for the workshops and last minute requirements the county placed on
me. I didn't feel these expenses should come from the Gathering fund since I
offered up the location. Next time I will know better of what to expect.
Steve Glover
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:20:22 -0700
From: Dan Prichard <dprich01 at comcast.net>
To: Dan Heath <danrh at windstream.net>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
Message-ID: <4F9015FF-74F0-47FE-9D06-3E28C234458E at comcast.net>
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I'm trying to get us rooms at McMenamins Hotel in McMinnville. Look them up on
the net. Historic hotel in old town. Also nearby casino, vineyards, wine tours.
My wife wants to put together a group to visit old town Portland & Saturday
market visit. Again, look on the the these keywords on the net.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Dan Heath via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> I want to encourage my wife to attend this one. What do you have that might
> entice spouses who are not particularly interested in airplanes to want to
> come to the area?
>
>
>
> See N64KR at <http://krbuilder.org/> http://krbuilder.org/- Then click on
> the pics
>
>
>
> Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
>
>
> Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
>
>
>
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Prichard
> via KRnet
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:51 PM
> To: Teate, Stephen; KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
>
>
>
> Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the
> worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft
> museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation
> historical society 100 miles to the south.
>
>
>
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