I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this, but if some one comes out at
night for a ride and I want to give them a good one, if there is a cloud
deck that I can get above VFR and there is a large moon, I take them above
the clouds a thousand feet or more and have them look down because they will
see a round rainbow on top of the cloud deck and the shadow of our airplane
will be in the center of it and the whole thing will move along and stay
right under us with us staying in the center. It is always quite
interesting to non flyers, a quiet and beautiful sight.
Miles Humphrey mnk at q.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doran Jaffas" <kr2owner at gmail.com>
To: <krnet at list.krnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:57 PM
Subject: KR> Rainbows
> I wasn't going to post this this way but.....
> I have seen what Brian has seen. I was flying a Seneca coming home
> from Minnesota at around 3500msl. Not high but high enough on an IFR
> Flight
> plan for the area.
> Talking the tech side of the wx would take the wonder out if it and
> yes...I can pass any drug test anywhere anytime.
>
> Doran
> N186RC
> IFR
> Complex
> Taildragger
> High Performance
> Experienced Builder
> Test Pilot of several homebuilts as well as
> modified factory aircraft.
> On Mar 23, 2014 12:01 PM, <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
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>> 1. Service ceilving (Phillip Hill)
>> 2. Re: Service ceiling (Jeff Scott)
>> 3. Re: Service ceilving (Jeff York)
>> 4. Re: Service ceilving (Robert7721)
>> 5. Re: Service ceiling (Mark Langford)
>> 6. Why we fly (Doran Jaffas)
>> 7. Re: Service ceilving (Roger Bulla)
>> 8. Re: Service ceiling (Mark Langford)
>> 9. Re: Service ceilving (m.ladigo at cox.net)
>> 10. Re: Service ceilving (Roger Bulla)
>> 11. Re: Service ceiling (Phillip Hill)
>> 12. Henni's project (Hennie van Rooyen [HQP Alloystream])
>> 13. Re: Why we fly/rainbows (brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com)
>> 14. Re: Why we fly/rainbows (Larry&Sallie Flesner)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:27:51 -0500
>> From: Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: KR> Service ceilving
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>> I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>>
>> Phill
>> Collinsville, IL
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:27:43 -0400
>> From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.planes at gmx.com>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceiling
>> Message-ID: <20140322212743.144490 at gmx.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I stopped climbing at 18,000' to stay out of IFR airspace when I was
>> climb
>> testing the plane in 2009.
>>
>> Actual service ceiling on my KR seems to be around 15,000', although
>> without O2 on board, I generally stay away from those kinds of altitudes
>> anymore.
>>
>> -Jeff Scott
>> Los Alamos, NM
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Phillip Hill
>> > Sent: 03/22/14 02:27 PM
>> > To: KRnet
>> > Subject: KR> Service ceiling
>> >
>> > I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> > aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>> >
>> > Phill
>> > Collinsville, IL
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jeff York <jeffyork40 at yahoo.com>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceilving
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>> I believe it would depend on a few factors such as weight, engine and
>> such
>> but as I recall its generally known to be about 16,000 feet. However, I
>> think you need to consider oxygen needs above 10,000 or so anyway. I have
>> always tried to stay a bit on the safe side of a service ceiling while
>> flying a private plane and my KR and keep well below the 16,000 range.
>> Now
>> when I have been in the Citation or King Air, that's another story.
>>
>> But, if you go with supplemental oxygen you may need to consider the
>> added
>> weight even though you can get some pretty light supplemental systems.
>>
>> Jeff York
>> KR2
>> 2010 KR Nationals Peoples Choice, Best Interior, Best Instrument
>> 2011 Airfest Best Experimental, Best Interior, Best Instrument
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:28 PM, Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> aspirated KR2.? Anyone want to share?
>>
>> Phill
>> Collinsville, IL
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:21:57 -0500
>> From: Robert7721 <robert7721 at aol.com>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceilving
>> Message-ID: <B124F674-F753-40FD-AC54-D9292F5A6D1B at aol.com>
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>> I've flown my VW powered KR2S up to 10,000 ft during flight testing.
>> Didn't worry about going higher at the time. I have flown up to 8500 for
>> sure during flights to get above the bumpy clouds during trips in the
>> summer over the years. I still plan to fly to Chino this year for the KR
>> Gathering and I am confident I can get my plane there. Might need to get
>> to
>> 11,000 to make the trip based on early planning. Most time I fly 2500 to
>> 4500. Not much reason to fly higher in MO and KS.
>>
>> Rob Schmitt
>> N1852Z
>> Www.robert7721.com
>>
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Jeff York <jeffyork40 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe it would depend on a few factors such as weight, engine and
>> such but as I recall its generally known to be about 16,000 feet.
>> However,
>> I think you need to consider oxygen needs above 10,000 or so anyway. I
>> have
>> always tried to stay a bit on the safe side of a service ceiling while
>> flying a private plane and my KR and keep well below the 16,000 range.
>> Now
>> when I have been in the Citation or King Air, that's another story.
>> >
>> > But, if you go with supplemental oxygen you may need to consider the
>> added weight even though you can get some pretty light supplemental
>> systems.
>> >
>> > Jeff York
>> > KR2
>> > 2010 KR Nationals Peoples Choice, Best Interior, Best Instrument
>> > 2011 Airfest Best Experimental, Best Interior, Best Instrument
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:28 PM, Phillip Hill
>> > <phill.hill at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> > aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>> >
>> > Phill
>> > Collinsville, IL
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:36:20 -0500
>> From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceiling
>> Message-ID: <830C388BBD6C4297A81527FDBB82F288 at base>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Phil Hill wrote:
>>
>> > I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> > aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>>
>> My plane has been to 20,050' and it was still climbing, but not the
>> required
>> 100 fpm to call it a service ceiling. I didn't have the sense at the time
>> to
>> take note of exactly where it reached the point of no longer being able
>> to
>> climb at 100 fpm, but I'm guessing was around 19,000'. That was with my
>> normally aspirated 130 HP Corvair, and was in the dead of summer. The
>> definition is probably based on "standard" ambient conditions, so go
>> figure.
>> Yes, I was on oxygen. Engine power is definitely a factor in service
>> ceiling, and a turbo would do wonders for you, I'm sure.
>>
>> Mark Langford
>> ML at N56ML.com
>> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:41:21 -0700
>> From: Doran Jaffas <kr2owner at gmail.com>
>> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>> Subject: KR> Why we fly
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I hope I am doing this correctly.
>> There is alot of tech talk on here and I learn everytime and I am
>> an
>> experienced builder. I tend to get involved with the mechanics of our
>> aircraft and flying but today I found myself remembering why I fell in
>> love
>> with flying
>> Here are a cpl of my thoughts and I would like to read yours if you
>> are willing. Contact me at kr2owner at gmail.com
>>
>> Seeing rainbows from above.
>> Sharing flying stories.
>> The sigh of a perfect landing on a manicured grass runway.
>> The smiles of a first time passenger.
>> The quiet solitude of an early morning preflight.
>> Engine start up.
>> The way my everyday world looks from a few hundred
>> feet
>> up.
>>
>> Your reasons?
>>
>> Doran
>> N186RC
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:53:09 -0600
>> From: "Roger Bulla" <rbulla2 at wic.net>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceilving
>> Message-ID: <7D7E3E882CF74DE5B2631052D911B420 at Rogerremote>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Phill
>>
>> My old took my old KR with a 2180 VW to 14,000 to get over the big rocks
>> here in Colorado. It was in summer, I had my wife with me and baggage and
>> full fuel. Probably at 1100 lbs at take off. Non turbocharged. I didn't
>> rocket right up there, but it wasn't bad.
>>
>> Roger Bulla
>> rbulla2 at wic.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phillip Hill
>> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:27 PM
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: KR> Service ceilving
>>
>> I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>>
>> Phill
>> Collinsville, IL
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 20:53:38 -0500
>> From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceiling
>> Message-ID: <E0F68A755F8F411A8D648B068578C02C at base>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I think the question "define a typical KR2" must be asked, and then
>> somebody
>> goes and tests it on a "standard" day.
>>
>> Wikipedia has this to say about the definition of "service ceiling":
>> The service ceiling is the maximum usable altitude of an aircraft.
>> Specifically, it is the density altitude at which flying in a clean
>> configuration, at the best rate of climb airspeed for that altitude and
>> with
>> all engines operating and producing maximum continuous power, will
>> produce
>> a
>> given rate of climb (a typical value might be 100 feet per minute climb
>> or
>> 30 metres per minute, or on the order of 500 feet per minute climb for
>> jet
>> aircraft). Margin to stall at service ceiling is 1.5g.
>>
>> Lots of room for interpretation there. I'm sure somebody can cite an
>> official definition, so all that remains is that the typical KR2 in
>> question
>> be defined, and a test flight be done under the proper conditions
>> ascertain
>> the number.
>>
>> Going back to work on N891JF...
>>
>>
>> Mark Langford
>> ML at N56ML.com
>> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:54:20 -0400
>> From: <m.ladigo at cox.net>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceilving
>> Message-ID: <20140322215421.ZT1C3.84258.imail at fed1rmwml304>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> N1977M weighed in at 625 lbs. empty, had max. gross set at 1175 lbs.
>> Service ceiling was about 11.500 and absolute was right at 12.500.
>> Engine was 2600cc type 4 with an Ellison efs-3 carb.
>> Mike Ladigo
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:58:27 -0600
>> From: "Roger Bulla" <rbulla2 at wic.net>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceilving
>> Message-ID: <F788F98B33934E289834ABCA68859EB8 at Rogerremote>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> As a side note, We did not stay at 14,000 ft for long. Just long enough
>> to
>> get over the larger ridges on the Eastern Slope comfortably and then down
>> to
>> 10,500 for the rest of the trip .
>>
>> Roger Bulla
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phillip Hill
>> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:27 PM
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: KR> Service ceilving
>>
>> I'd like to know what the typical service ceiling is for a normally
>> aspirated KR2. Anyone want to share?
>>
>> Phill
>> Collinsville, IL
>> _______________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:02:06 -0500
>> From: Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Service ceiling
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAJeERg0WYZxFh1FQcMawe=opkCwqyyqD-3LMs=
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>>
>> I will be doing a proper test wham the time comes. I'm asking a purely
>> generic question. I've been looking at the places where i have family
>> members I hardly ever get see that I may want to go visit. The plane
>> will
>> be the mode. Some of these elusive family members live in Idaho. Just
>> looking at the charts for possible routes. Seems high flying will be
>> necessary. ... hence the interest in service ceiling.
>> On Mar 22, 2014 8:54 PM, "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Phil,
>> >
>> > I think the question "define a typical KR2" must be asked, and then
>> > somebody goes and tests it on a "standard" day.
>> >
>> > Wikipedia has this to say about the definition of "service ceiling":
>> > The service ceiling is the maximum usable altitude of an aircraft.
>> > Specifically, it is the density altitude at which flying in a clean
>> > configuration, at the best rate of climb airspeed for that altitude and
>> > with all engines operating and producing maximum continuous power, will
>> > produce a given rate of climb (a typical value might be 100 feet per
>> minute
>> > climb or 30 metres per minute, or on the order of 500 feet per minute
>> climb
>> > for jet aircraft). Margin to stall at service ceiling is 1.5g.
>> >
>> > Lots of room for interpretation there. I'm sure somebody can cite an
>> > official definition, so all that remains is that the typical KR2 in
>> > question be defined, and a test flight be done under the proper
>> conditions
>> > ascertain the number.
>> >
>> > Going back to work on N891JF...
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark Langford
>> > ML at N56ML.com
>> > website at http://www.N56ML.com
>> > --------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 07:22:38 +0000
>> From: "Hennie van Rooyen [HQP Alloystream]"
>> <Hennie.vanRooyen at exxaro.com>
>> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: KR> Henni's project
>> Message-ID:
>> <EB76F9BD7748084DAF4CE326EE3E690A591AE33C at HQPXCPP01.EXXARO.COM>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is my KR2 project:
>>
>>
>> http://www.microlighters.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22857&sid=7284247619ab28695b1129d133a1a32b
>>
>> Keep well all,
>>
>> Henni
>> South Africa
>>
>>
>> This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only.
>> Please refer to http://www.exxaro.com/content/main/disclaimer.asp
>> for important disclaimers.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 07:07:12 -0700
>> From: <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com>
>> To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Why we fly/rainbows
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 20140323070712.31a5f8c871d0e3389177406b4aec562c.10b602f123.wbe at
>> email04.secureserver.net
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> All good reasons.
>>
>> Rainbows from above is something I have experienced and something not
>> many people get to see. The first time was right after a small shower
>> early in the day when taking a friend for a ride in a Champ. The
>> rainbow formed as we were doing the preflight so we jumped in to see
>> what it looked like in the air. We were amazed to find that at a few
>> thousand feet the rainbow did not end, it became a complete ring with
>> the bottom of it looking a few hundred feet above the ground. Now I
>> know why we never find the pot of gold at the end, because there is no
>> end.
>>
>> On the ground you only get to see a maximum of half of the rainbow
>> because at least half is below the horizon.
>>
>> Now every time there is a rainbow and I am home my wife and I jump in
>> the plane with the camera looking to see the full rainbow, but
>> unfortunately, the four or five times we had a rainbow the clouds or
>> position of the sun have not agreed. You need the sun fairly low on the
>> horizon and moisture in the air, but no clouds in the direction of the
>> rainbow. It is fairly elusive for all the conditions to be perfect. I
>> have only seen it once and looking on the net I have never seen a
>> picture even close to the one I saw. One day.....over the rainbow.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: KR> Why we fly
>> From: Doran Jaffas <kr2owner at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 6:41 pm
>> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>>
>> I hope I am doing this correctly.
>> There is alot of tech talk on here and I learn everytime and I am an
>> experienced builder. I tend to get involved with the mechanics of our
>> aircraft and flying but today I found myself remembering why I fell in
>> love
>> with flying
>> Here are a cpl of my thoughts and I would like to read yours if you
>> are willing. Contact me at kr2owner at gmail.com
>>
>> Seeing rainbows from above.
>> Sharing flying stories.
>> The sigh of a perfect landing on a manicured grass runway.
>> The smiles of a first time passenger.
>> The quiet solitude of an early morning preflight.
>> Engine start up.
>> The way my everyday world looks from a few hundred feet
>> up.
>>
>> Your reasons?
>>
>> Doran
>> N186RC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:32:18 -0500
>> From: Larry&Sallie Flesner <flesner at frontier.com>
>> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: KR> Why we fly/rainbows
>> Message-ID:
>> <mailman.16.1395590409.1226.krnet_list.krnet.org at list.krnet.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> At 09:07 AM 3/23/2014, you wrote:
>> >The first time was right after a small shower
>> >early in the day when taking a friend for a ride in a Champ.
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Really Brian, you got a Champ to fly higher than a rainbow. What
>> were you smoking???? :-) :-)
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>>
>>
>>
>>
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