Personally I vote for migration of mailing lists to Discuss. It has a modern WebUI with 0Auth for those who is unfamiliar with mailing lists, so it will alove to engage more new people + mailing list mode who prefer them.
> 27 квіт. 2023 р. о 22:42 Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss <jos...@kde.org> > написав(ла): > > Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists. > > To discuss, please answer to kde-commun...@kde.org. > > tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing lists at > KDE. What do we want to do with them? > > This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general > discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new thread or > wait until I address that, likely in the very near future. > > _Inactive Mailing Lists_ > > For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in KDE's > internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing lists > publicly listed at: > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some of which > were never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon further > inspection, but these seem like a good place to start. > > By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past 2-3 > years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago. For > several of these lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with no > community responses to the most recent posts. > > The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email. > > Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same as a > list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular communication > for that community to be active. If you see your community's mailing list > here and think it is a mistake, please let me know! My apologies in advance > if this is the case. > > Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project is > inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used channel of > communication. There are many other channels for community discussion (e.g., > Matrix, Discuss, etc.). > > _Some Questions To The KDE Community_ > > * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists? > > * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything at the > Community Wiki. [1] > > * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for > posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing list > ARChives" [3]. > > * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to somewhere > with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking Discuss)? I can > imagine being in a more active online space could increase general > participation for otherwise low activity groups. > > _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_ > > I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing lists. Here > are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones: > > * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's > communication is. > > * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list is no > longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an inactive one. > > * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for futher > contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered. > > * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their overall > activity. > > * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's server > infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services. > > Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group by > pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific list. If > there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open, then let's > keep it open! I myself like mailing lists for various forms of communication > (announcements, long-form discussion, information which I want to archive > locally for future reference, etc.). > > If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a > challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I tried my > best not to. > > I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions! > > Cheers, > Joseph > > [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists > [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel > [3] https://marc.info/ > > # Overview > > Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following: > > * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed > * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists > * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists > > # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists] > > ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list yet, so > the archives are currently empty.") > > * Calligra-author: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author > * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs > * Gcompris-espanol: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol > * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard > * kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs > * Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it > * Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my > * Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw > * KDE-Look: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look > * Kde-partnership: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership > * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds > * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs > > ## Officially Closed [1 list] > > * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux > > # Inactive General Lists [27 lists] > > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists] > > * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists > * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack > * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi > * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs > * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees > > ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists] > > * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify > * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch > > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists] > > * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel > * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded > * Kde-buildsystem: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem > * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn > * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits > * Ksecretservice-devel: > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel > * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy > * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech > * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi > * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise > * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble > * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women > * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa > * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel > * Kde-scm-interest: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest > * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel > > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists] > > * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor > * Gcompris-portugues: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues > * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs > * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb > > # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists] > > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists] > > * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu > * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br > > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists] > > * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk > * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india > * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in > * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam > * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn > > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists] > > * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el > * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico > * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si > > ## Infrequently Active [1 list] > > * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia > > -- > Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss > KDE Internal Communications & KDE Eco Community Manager > OpenPGP: 8FC5 4178 DC44 AD55 08E7 DF57 453E 5746 59A6 C06F > Matrix: @joseph:kde.org > > Generally available Monday-Thursday from 10-16h CET/CEST. Outside of these > times it may take a little longer for me to respond. > > KDE Eco: Building Energy-Efficient Free Software! > Website: https://eco.kde.org > Mastodon: @be4foss@floss.social >
