Hi there! Regarding IE versions less than 10.
Because we wanted to get top scores from www.ssllabs.com SSL tests, we support only specific TLS encryptions, which are not supported by old IE's. We decided security is more important for us than crappy IE. So instead of downgrading our SSL, we decided to upgrade our users. Also we can promote usage of Firefox and Chrome by telling people to install them or upgrade to newest IE :) And we are not a small library with few thousand users. It is easy to justify when you say we want to secure the sessions with reliable encryption. So far we haven't got any PR issues what so ever. So I say nuke IE, go with Bootstrap 4. Olli-Antti Kivilahti Järjestelmäkeittäjä vaarakirjastot.fi +358 50 449 7763 --Powered by Kubuntu Linux! On 08.09.2015 09:32, David Cook wrote: > Owen: Ahh, I didn't realize that Bootstrap had a customizer. I figured it > had to be something along those lines. It's a shame they don't indicate in > the comments that it was a custom version built by them at least :S. > > Everyone: I also agree with Owen about there being a discussion about the > move from the existing Bootstrap 2 to a newer version. I figure the look, > feel, and usability of Koha is a rather high priority. The browser > requirements are also an important consideration (at least to me), since we > have quite a few clients using IE8 (which is dropped in Bootstrap 4), if I > recall correctly. > > Bootstrap 3 dropped support for IE7, although one could workaround that with > the following https://github.com/coliff/bootstrap-ie7 (which I've done in > DSpace 3+). I don't know if someone is planning for something similar with > Bootstrap 4 or even if something similar is possible. I know, as a > community, that we're not that keen on supporting older versions of IE, so I > understand if that's a burden I need to take on individually (or if it's the > straw that breaks the camel's back and I start refusing to support it as > well). > > Owen: Regarding the speed, did you find there was a noticeable difference in > the speed of the custom CSS vs the full CSS? Lately, I've been testing page > load speeds (for a different system), and it seems that the load times of > minified CSS are pretty trivial. > > For example, at http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/, it took 65ms to > load 23.9KB http://getbootstrap.com/dist/css/bootstrap.min.css, which > appears to be the full Bootstrap 3.3.5. The full file for 2.2.2 > (https://maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/2.2.2/css/bootstrap.min.css) is > even smaller than that one. At .065 of a second, I think that's pretty fast. > I think if we're going to get speed improvements at this point, they're > going to come from Plack/mod_perl. > > David Cook > Systems Librarian > Prosentient Systems > 72/330 Wattle St, Ultimo, NSW 2007 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel- >> boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Owen Leonard >> Sent: Friday, 4 September 2015 10:08 PM >> To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org >> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Bootstrap 2.2.2 in the staff client >> >>> do we gain much from having a stripped BS build? is it worth the >>> inconvenience to developers? >> We gain a faster system. I think that's worth inconvenience to developers. >> >> -- Owen >> >> -- >> Web Developer >> Athens County Public Libraries >> http://www.myacpl.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Koha-devel mailing list >> Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org >> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel >> website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha- >> community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Koha-devel mailing list > Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org > http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel > website : http://www.koha-community.org/ > git : http://git.koha-community.org/ > bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/ _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
