As long as we are not pushing the b5 release schedule back I'm fine with this.
On 7/15/2018 10:52 AM, Adam Wolf wrote: > I guess the fact that environment variables are tricky to set for > graphical applications for the Mac may be a blessing here :) > > Should we try to package a macOS version that installs to > /Applications/KiCad5 and /Library/Application Support/kicad? > > Adam > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 2:41 AM Eeli Kaikkonen <eeli.kaikko...@gmail.com > <mailto:eeli.kaikko...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There are some people in the user forum who have spent time with > these v4->v5 problems, including me and Rene. The consensus about > the environment variables seems to be what Rene already said, that > they should not (without explicit user intervention) be set for the > system, but from KiCad itself. Nick confirmed that the current v5 > installer won't set them by default. They are still a problem if > they have been set by v4 installer. > > su 15. heinäk. 2018 klo 5.04 Strontium (strnty...@gmail.com > <mailto:strnty...@gmail.com>) kirjoitti: > > I honestly think each major revision of KiCad should be > considered a NEW > program, installs to a new place has its configuration and > libraries all > in a new location. Only Incremental updates 5.0 -> 5.1 should be > considered upgrades. > > > I agree. It's probable that many users will want to continue with v4 > for old projects but v5 for new, and in the future the same thing > will be true for v5 vs. v6, because they break the file/project > compatibility. But where the compatibility is kept it's more likely > to be considered as just an upgrade. > > > Kicad configuration isn't complex or onerous so if a user wants > to bring > a Kicad4 config into Kicad5 or 6 or whatever, then they do that > themselves, otherwise after install Kicad5 is a fresh blank > sheet with > no relationship to anything that happened on the users computer in > Kicad4. I am not familiar with the issues on Windows, but I > would have > thought now this is mostly a packaging issue only?? > > > I tried modifying the Windows installer, I only needed to replace > some of "KiCad" strings with "KiCad5" and it can install v5 > alongside v4 independently. The only problem is the configuration > and the environment variables set by v4. They can be handled with a > startup script. See > https://forum.kicad.info/t/does-v5-have-to-overwrite-on-install/11282 for > some details. > > I also agree if it can't work this way now on Windows, then its > all a > bit late for V5, but maybe V6 can consider itself a new program > distinct > from V5. This would also help with testing, because users could > use V5 > for daily work, but also easily install a V6 daily side by side. > > > All this could be done with the Windows installer, provided that a > startup script would be offered. > > To make this all, at least the startup script, as simple as possible > I would suggest one (or three) small changes to KiCad (for 5.1, or > even 5.0.1?). Add command line options --config=/path/to/config and > --ignore-env-vars. The former is obvious and would override > KICAD_CONFIG_HOME system environment variable. The latter would make > KiCad ignore all system environment variables and use the current > internal logic and the path settings UI instead. That way the old > variables could be left for v4 and the newer versions would be > completely independent if the command line switches were used. The > command line switch for the config path would be mostly for > convenience. In Windows starting a program with custom environment > variables is tedious and error prone to write (see the above > mentioned thread). Command line switches are much easier. > > It could also be possible to make --ignore-env-vars=true by default. > Sharing the environment variables would be a special case if the > user wants that. > > The general problem with using system environment variables is that > they are good for situations when there's only one version of a > program on the system, and/or several processes share the same > variable values. Neither of them is true for parallel installations > of KiCad. > > Eeli Kaikkonen > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekicad-developers> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
