Looks good to me. On 12/31/2017 12:04 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > How about something like this? > > Inline image 1 > > (N.B. I agree with Andy, and think we could consider renaming the > options in the View menu to "Legacy", "Accelerated (OpenGL)" and > "Standard (Cairo)" or something like that) > > -Jon > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Andy Peters <de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>> wrote: > > >> On Dec 31, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Simon Wells <swel...@gmail.com >> <mailto:swel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> What about having the default set to cairo, and when the >> first/once run dialog runs it talks about openGL (this goes >> against you already set to GAL) but it allows a default that even >> if it crashes won’t require manually editing a configuration to >> make it workable > > User perspective: > > The names for the canvases are “engineering terms,” that is, > something named by the developers for their own internal use but > were never renamed for the end user who might have no idea what is > meant by “Cairo canvas” or what “GAL” stands for. I say that because > early on I asked myself, “WTF is this ‘Cairo’ thing?” > > I now understand (I think …) that Cairo and GAL implement the same > features but the latter requires proper OpenGL hardware and drivers, > and Cairo does not. > > So perhaps better terms for these options is “Standard” and > “Accelerated (OpenGL).” Users know what OpenGL means (I hope, it’s > nothing new). As for why a user with access to OpenGL hardware would > not choose to use it by default? Battery life on a laptop, I > suppose, but in using Kicad for a few years now I can say I’ve never > used the Cairo canvas at all. > > -a > > > > > >> Simon >> >>> On 1/01/2018, at 2:48 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I spite of my disdain for nagware, I'll tolerate this under the >>> following conditions: >>> >>> The current canvas is not already on one of the gal canvases. If the >>> user is already using a gal canvas, a dialog to inform the user about >>> the gal canvas is silly. >>> >>> It's a one shot dialog that never appears again. >>> >>> If the gal canvas crashes, the user isn't going to have to >>> manually edit >>> a configuration file to restore the legacy canvas. This >>> requirement may >>> prevent us from setting the opengl canvas as the default so the >>> solution >>> may not be as easy as it seems. >>> >>> On 12/31/2017 07:34 AM, Jeff Young wrote: >>>> +1 to the startup dialog idea. >>>> >>>> I think we also need to set reasonable transparencies in the >>>> layers so that it looks more like the default legacy canvas. >>> >>> I don' think this is necessary given that the gal canvas layer colors >>> and transparencies are completely user configurable but I'm not >>> opposed >>> to a default layer color/transparency configuration that looks >>> more like >>> the legacy canvas. >>> >>>> >>>>> On 31 Dec 2017, at 10:09, Clemens Koller <c...@embeon.de >>>>> <mailto:c...@embeon.de>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2017-12-31 03:53, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>> I know this would be work for someone to do and maybe I'd >>>>>> offer to do it if the project leaders approve... >>>>>> What about a one-time pop-up when first installing a release >>>>>> 5.0 that appears if the config says the user was using legacy >>>>>> canvas, telling them about how to switch and that they should >>>>>> check it out? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jon >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> An initial start-up dialog to setup the "users default" after a >>>>> first install or after a "reset Kicad to defaults, as I messed >>>>> something up I don't remember" seems very helpful to me. If >>>>> OpenGL might still crash in rare cases, warn the user in >>>>> advance and explain, how he can safely step back from using >>>>> OpenGL in case it doesn't work and how to file a bug report... >>>>> >>>>> Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >
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