Got it! Then I'm ok with the changes assuming they don't break anything else.
On 3/1/2017 4:28 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > The caching was only used by the auto router before. Orson's patch > implements local caching in the auto router, and other sites just > regenerate the bbox when they need to retrieve it, which is the same > behavior as before. > > We can't add a caching system that didn't exist before without the board > dirty flag that I mentioned would be a ton of work to implement. > > -Jon > > On Mar 1, 2017 16:25, "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I thought we were retaining the cached behavior for existing code and > implementing a secondary feature to always recalculate the bounding box. > It looks to me as though the cached behavior has completely been > removed unless I'm missing something. > > On 3/1/2017 9:07 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > It was in this thread; I've attached them both again for convenience. > > The "0001-Remove-BOARD-SetBoundingBox.patch" is applied after applying > > the other patch. > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > On 3/1/2017 8:54 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > Wayne, Orson's latest patch is basically Option 2 but > implemented > > > another way. Can you check it out and let us know if you > are OK merging > > > it as-is, or if we should change the implementation to be > more like what > > > I described? > > > > I don't remember seeing this patch. Was it posted to the dev > list? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jon > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > Option 2 seems fine. It may be easier to just add an option > > argument to > > > the existing GetBoundingBox() function to either return > the cached > > > bounding box or recalculate the bounding box on demand > rather than > > > create a different function for the cached vs. uncached > version. > > > > > > On 3/1/2017 2:51 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > > > > Wayne, what do you think? If it is acceptable, then I > would > > like to > > > > merge the patches. I should not judge my code, as I > might be > > > tempted to > > > > consider it a good solution. > > > > > > > > In case my proposal to cache the bounding box in > autorouter code > > > is not > > > > approved, then I would say #2 would do the job. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Orson > > > > > > > > On 03/01/2017 01:23 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > >> Update: after some more testing, I think Orson's patch on > > top of > > > mine is > > > >> the way to go. It pulls the computation out of the > loops for > > > autorouter, > > > >> and that's the only place where the board's bounding > box is > > used > > > >> repetitively. Since the other call sites are only > going to > > get the > > > >> bounding box intermittently, I don't think it's worth any > > effort > > > doing > > > >> complicated things to track and recompute the > bounding box when > > > things are > > > >> changed. > > > >> > > > >> So, I think my patch and Orson's should be merged. > > > >> > > > >> -Jon > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Jon Evans > > <j...@craftyjon.com <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com> > <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>> > > > <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com> > <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com <mailto:j...@craftyjon.com>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I'm finally back to this problem now that I have some > > other WIP > > > committed. > > > >>> > > > >>> As far as I can tell, there two paths to go down for > this > > problem: > > > >>> > > > >>> 1) Implement auto-caching of the bounding box. This > > requires some > > > >>> mechanism to tell BOARD that it needs to update the > cache, > > be it > > > OBSERVABLE > > > >>> or some other update function added to BOARD_ITEM. > No matter > > > how it's > > > >>> done, this method seems not great to me because it > requires > > > touching a ton > > > >>> of code to provide coverage for every possible entry > point > > that > > > could end > > > >>> up having an effect on the bounding box. > > > >>> > > > >>> 2) Have two different calls to get the bounding box > for an > > > EDA_ITEM, one > > > >>> that always re-generates the cache and one that just > returns a > > > cached > > > >>> value. Update the call sites that hit the bounding box > > frequently > > > >>> (autorouter, etc) to make use of the cached value; keep > > the call > > > sites that > > > >>> always re-generate the bounding box in today's code > > working that > > > way. > > > >>> Performance shouldn't be any better or worse than it > is now. > > > >>> > > > >>> 3) Track whether a board is clean/dirty in some > other way > > > besides looking > > > >>> at BOARD_ITEMs. This might not be practical while > we still > > > support legacy, > > > >>> but once there is only GAL, I could see this maybe being > > > possible through > > > >>> the tool framework. For example, actions could be > marked as > > > possibly > > > >>> impacting the board or not (i.e. move item does, > zoom does > > not) > > > >>> > > > >>> So, unless someone suggests otherwise, I'm going to try > > > implementing #2, > > > >>> and suggest #3 as a future improvement that would > improve > > > performance for > > > >>> some edge case operations (i.e. "zoom to fit screen" > would be > > > instantaneous > > > >>> if nothing has modified the board since the last > time the bbox > > > was cached, > > > >>> even on large boards) > > > >>> > > > >>> -Jon > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > > > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> On 2/24/2017 10:30 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > > > >>>>> Most of the operations one can do on a BOARD_ITEM > > potentially > > > affects > > > >>>>> the board bounding box. It means there might be > many places > > > where the > > > >>>>> notifications should be added. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Some time ago, Michael Steinberg has put in place > > OBSERVABLE class > > > >>>>> (include/observable.h) that could facilitate the task. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It could be useful but I'm not sure it would be a > better > > design > > > than the > > > >>>> child object informing it's parent that it's > bounding box has > > > changed. > > > >>>> I'm not sure the additional code would make the > code any more > > > readable. > > > >>>> The only benefit would be if other observers were > required. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> With the current approach, developers have to guess > > whether to > > > update > > > >>>>> the bounding box with ComputeBoundingBox() or take the > > cached > > > value. > > > >>>>> Update is called in very few places, so I really > wonder what > > > kind of > > > >>>>> magic makes it work, but I might have missed > something here. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This solution would require limiting the entry > points in > > the BOARD > > > >>>> object that allow changes to the BOARD's child items. > > > Conceptually this > > > >>>> is probably easier to understand but requires > developers > > to be > > > diligent > > > >>>> when making changes to the BOARD object or not > trying to > > bypass > > > these > > > >>>> entry points. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>> Orson > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 02/24/2017 04:06 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > > > >>>>>> Every BOARD_ITEM has a parent/child relationship > or at > > least > > > it did if > > > >>>>>> someone did not break it. You can always find > the parent > > > BOARD object > > > >>>>>> by walking up the BOARD_ITEM parent list. There is > > already a > > > >>>>>> BOARD_ITEM::GetBoard() call that should return > the parent > > > board. You > > > >>>>>> could use that to notify the BOARD object when a > child > > BOARD_ITEM > > > >>>> change > > > >>>>>> effects the bounding box. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 2/24/2017 9:27 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > >>>>>>> We need a solution that allows GetBoundingBox to > be called > > > blindly, > > > >>>>>>> without knowing if (or how) an EDA_ITEM subclass > needs to > > > have the > > > >>>>>>> bounding box updated. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Does anyone have ideas about how complicated it > would > > be to > > > give the > > > >>>>>>> BOARD class knowledge of whether or not anything > > inside it has > > > >>>> changed? > > > >>>>>>> This is what I tried to implement at first, but > Orson > > > pointed out that > > > >>>>>>> the way I did it would miss some kinds of changes. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Figuring out the above also seems useful for > other reasons > > > -- for > > > >>>>>>> example, autosave / backup features are easier to > > implement > > > if there > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> a global "dirty/clean" flag for things like BOARD. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> If there is no good way to implement caching, I > guess > > > another way > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>>>> be to implement caching at the sites that use > the BOARD > > > bounding box > > > >>>>>>> heavily (autorouter etc) > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -Jon > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Wayne Stambaugh < > > > >>>> stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On 2/24/2017 4:16 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > Hi Jon, > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > The current version looks much better to me. > > From what > > > I see > > > >>>> there is no > > > >>>>>>> > actual bounding box caching, as > GetBoundingBox() > > > always calls > > > >>>>>>> > ComputeBoundingBox(). I am fine with that, but > > before > > > I push > > > >>>> the patch I > > > >>>>>>> > need to ask: does anyone know why the > board bounding > > > box is > > > >>>> cached? I > > > >>>>>>> > believe it must have been done to boost > > performance of > > > certain > > > >>>> parts of > > > >>>>>>> > the code, but I wonder if it is really > necessary. > > > Especially > > > >>>> that one > > > >>>>>>> > needs to know that it has to be updated using > > > >>>> ComputeBoundingBox(). > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> It was cached so it didn't need to be > recalculated > > every > > > time the > > > >>>>>>> bounding box was required. It should or at > least > > it did > > > >>>> recalculate > > > >>>>>>> only when the changes were made since the > last call to > > > fetch the > > > >>>>>>> bounding box. On very complex boards, this > can take a > > > while. > > > >>>> Getting > > > >>>>>>> the bounding box is called fairly often so this > > can add > > > up. I > > > >>>> don't see > > > >>>>>>> any reason to recalculate the bounding box on > > every get > > > bounding > > > >>>> box > > > >>>>>>> call. If the current bounding box behavior > is broken, > > > then it > > > >>>> should be > > > >>>>>>> fixed. I don't see any reason to get rid of the > > caching > > > method. > > > >>>> If you > > > >>>>>>> are operating outside of the normal methods > for adding > > > and/or > > > >>>> editing > > > >>>>>>> board objects that prevents the correct > bounding box > > > from being > > > >>>>>>> calculated, that is your fault and you need > to fix > > your code > > > >>>>>>> accordingly. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > Just by looking at the code, I noticed > that the > > > autorouter calls > > > >>>>>>> > BOARD::GetBoundingBox() frequently, but I > could not > > > see much > > > >>>>>>> difference > > > >>>>>>> > with caching disabled. Likely, the routing > > algorithm takes > > > >>>>>>> significantly > > > >>>>>>> > more time than the bounding box calculations. > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > Personally I would completely remove > > m_BoundingBox field > > > >>>> instead of > > > >>>>>>> > making it mutable. Also, I have noticed > there are a > > > few places > > > >>>>>>> where the > > > >>>>>>> > bounding box is overridden with > SetBoundingBox(). It > > > seems to > > > >>>> me a bit > > > >>>>>>> > dubious, as bounding box should depend > solely on > > the items > > > >>>>>>> belonging to > > > >>>>>>> > the board. I attach a patch to show what I > would > > > change. Any > > > >>>> comments, > > > >>>>>>> > especially from Wayne & Jean-Pierre? > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > Regards, > > > >>>>>>> > Orson > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > On 02/23/2017 01:49 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > >>>>>>> >> Hi Orson, > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> Here's an updated patch with the changes you > > > requested. The > > > >>>> only > > > >>>>>>> issue is, > > > >>>>>>> >> without some kind of caching, I had to > change the > > > call sites > > > >>>> that > > > >>>>>>> were > > > >>>>>>> >> interested in the board bounding box with > edges > > only, > > > so the > > > >>>>>>> patch has > > > >>>>>>> >> grown in scope. Let me know if this > looks better. > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> Best, > > > >>>>>>> >> Jon > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Maciej > Sumiński > > > >>>>>>> <maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch> > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch>> > > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch> > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch>>> <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch> > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch>> > > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch> > > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch > <mailto:maciej.sumin...@cern.ch>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> >> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >>> Hi Jon, > > > >>>>>>> >>> > > > >>>>>>> >>> I really like the generic approach in > the zoom > > > methods. This > > > >>>> part I > > > >>>>>>> >>> would merge instantly, but there is an > issue with > > > caching the > > > >>>> board > > > >>>>>>> >>> bounding box. It does not take into > account that > > > items already > > > >>>>>>> added to > > > >>>>>>> >>> board may change their position and > affect the > > > bounding box. > > > >>>> I would > > > >>>>>>> >>> remove caching completely, what do you > think? > > > >>>>>>> >>> > > > >>>>>>> >>> If you are going to modify the patch, would > > you rename > > > >>>> boardBBox in > > > >>>>>>> >>> COMMON_TOOLS::ZoomFitScreen() to bbox or > anything > > > that is not > > > >>>>>>> related to > > > >>>>>>> >>> board? Thank you in advance. > > > >>>>>>> >>> > > > >>>>>>> >>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>> >>> Orson > > > >>>>>>> >>> > > > >>>>>>> >>> On 02/23/2017 05:34 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > >>>>>>> >>>> Hi all, > > > >>>>>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>>> >>>> This patch finishes off the refactor I > did a few > > > days ago, by > > > >>>>>>> enabling > > > >>>>>>> >>>> ZoomFitScreen to work without knowledge > of the > > > BOARD class. > > > >>>>>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>>> >>>> In order to make this work, I changed > the way > > > GetBoundingBox > > > >>>> and > > > >>>>>>> >>>> ComputeBoundingBox work so that the > call sites of > > > >>>>>>> GetBoundingBox don't > > > >>>>>>> >>> have > > > >>>>>>> >>>> to also call ComputeBoundingBox if they > don't > > need > > > to use the > > > >>>>>>> >>>> aBoardEdgesOnly flag. > > > >>>>>>> >>>> > > > >>>>>>> >>>> Those with good knowledge of BOARD > should review > > > this to make > > > >>>>>>> sure I > > > >>>>>>> >>> caught > > > >>>>>>> >>>> all the instances where we 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<https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >>>>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>> Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Post to : > kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : > > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>>> > > > >>>>>>> More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >>>>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>>> Post to : > kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>> > > > >>>>>> Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>> > > > >>>>> Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>> > > > >>>> Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>> > > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net>>> > > > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>> > > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > 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