-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This sounds like the best option to me - keep the feature around but throw a DRC error if you try to use it. This keeps old designs working (albeit with warnings) and discourages use of hidden connections in new designs.
Eventually, if the project reaches a consensus in the future, the creation of new hidden-pin components can be disabled in the UI (or maybe require an explicit preference change / warning dialog to enable); existing ones will continue to work for compatibility. On 06/02/16 09:12, Thor-Arne wrote: > I think the multiple netnames on the same net should be included in > the roadmap v5 DRC check. This should as a minimum throw a warning > as this might break the finished pcb. > > It might also affect the hidden pins issue as one might have > several supply voltages connected to VCC pins. However, it's better > to get warned by this in eeschema than risking having parts > supplied with 5V when it should have been 3.3V. > > I see no issues with this for backwards compability. > > -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Stambaugh Sent: Saturday, > February 06, 2016 4:52 PM To: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] Discussion: Hidden Pins, Net > labels > > I would not have allowed that to be implemented. One thing I try > to avoid is forcing users down the "one true way" path of pcb > design whenever possible. I prefer to give users the flexibility > to design as they see fit even if it means that kicad has a steeper > learning curve. I don't pretend to be wise enough to know what the > "one true way" is and I really don't like someone else forcing it > upon me so it would be hypocritical of me to force it upon someone > else. If you are comfortable with hidden pins, use them. If not, > don't. > > On 2/6/2016 9:59 AM, Thor-Arne wrote: >> I agree with Chris on the hidden pins issue, old design should >> not be broken. > > That is also a no-no for the project. One of the goals of kicad is > to make every effort to maintain backwards compatibility. > >> >> When it comes to net names I think they should be forced to be >> unique. >> >> Anyway, are we going to collect features requests now? Would it >> be better to have a wanted-feauture list on github instead of the >> mail list so nothing gets lost? > > Take a look at the release 5 (current development cycle) road map. > Maybe we can add it to one of the existing tasks where it makes > sense. Please keep in mind, we cannot endlessly add tasks to the > release 5 road map. We need to be realistic about what we can > achieve given our current manpower. I can always add new tasks to > the global road map for future dev cycles. > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Pavlina Sent: Saturday, >> February 06, 2016 3:30 PM To: André S. Cc: KiCad Developers >> Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] Discussion: Hidden Pins, Net >> labels >> >> Eh. I agree 100% about hidden pins being Bad, anyone using them >> surely should be tarred and feathered. But I'm not sure it's our >> place to enforce good schematic drawing practices. If people want >> to use KiCad to draw terrible, horrible schematics, they'll find >> a way. Personally, I'm *strongly* against breaking old projects, >> the feature should be kept around at least as a legacy support >> feature for old projects that are imported. >> >> I just don't use hidden pins, they're strictly forbidden in my >> libs and I would never use them for anything other than >> implementing power symbols. >> >> On the fence about net names. >> >> On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:22:04PM +0100, André S. wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> this issues are still on my wishlist for KiCad: - Ban hidden >>> Pins. - Disallow multiple labels on the same net. Especially >>> the combination of those two is a source for non-obvious >>> design bugs. >>> >>> Wayne recently stated that now the planning for release 5 has >>> started, so I just thought I bring it up again. >>> >>> I wrote a blog entry why I think those two topics should be >>> addressed, you can find it here (warning: wall of text ahead >>> ;)): >>> http://transistorgrab.de/2016/02/05/why-hidden-pins-are-evil-and-net s-should-only-have-one-name/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm really interested that at least there is a definite conclusion for >>> KiCad and that this conclusion is then put somewhere obvious in >>> the documentation with all the pitfalls that come with that >>> features and how to avoid them. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for anyone taking part in the discussion. :) >>> >>> Best Regards, André >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Mailing list: >>> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : >>> kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : >>> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : >>> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> _______________________________________________ Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : >> kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : >> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> _______________________________________________ Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : >> kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : >> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : > kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : > kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWtip2AAoJEDRhermzHH18co0P/jTITkWt0E8DzHU6x0aNTCv+ iF4iqp0u2rWgQGrTxsd3KpWPpc2n8MD7/e4o6n2KJgRiR1vRPdweuG6Wt+tTLoXI bZFDpCNVDNT9cMAQ1jEvAB0AXYbOQFHTNk5a9+FP7jLzVrFYMGpbI5uIdGHsUwHH 8AJVLUbvjS3BXH0tOSGv3WN3Xfk/ljkC/psFygDjYyLYsNk7CkrykQBUma8J2ody NYJdCU9Cl6fb0cuXGo2ZAyfVYnZnU2OGze0YkaOUUIaaMu2fg6qj3rdvquh1X5pu iPsqPyxeaLitKH2m5AIE2Yi+Nq07GaWyEqY0Ct+MZ254m0Sy/lepa+nPNkEcR3b9 OGCVjiu+aQpFK5QlXXm2NYVlgvggPSGEehojngEM3Oyl7V/dgLNmxCv2OmpH8xHp yReIpGNo5JwQOtMQIYI5jp2qT6+dEJIHb7ivT0rd/SUaPKtoOnQ5yd5pV76uyl79 +1Igvx91N1QC5hb8RWAnxzjg5tweyrB9SSC4AjyP3thxyW/ACBNHGhnOPjXO0I0u SY2WsnGXzpq4E0asVZjCM98sUCVrb0UBQeNAGTgA+ymoyb4I42X/GcY7r7dJHGTS RmMPk3Frk8uHgneR759c1TA8hjPKNowd1hENLeY0aRHTtyajPDwQBUO/zYQYSMIA YURvNWPAK5hK/Vy97V2C =Cl/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
