Hi nnn,

I do not understand your point about having values on the PCB. NOBODY in the 
industry put values on the PCB. 
To facilitate the assembly, a lot of companies I worked for used a FAB drawing 
with one inch grid, and then generate a list of parts with the location on the 
grid. That’s more than enough to locate a part when troubleshooting.
You can do the same easily.

Just my $0.02,
Jean-Paul
AC9GH



> On Sep 3, 2015, at 3:32 PM, nnn <nnn4...@o2.pl> wrote:
> 
> I don't want remove refdes from silkscreen - just add a copy (text %R) scaled 
> to footprints size - this layer really helps when you need to find component 
> from schematic on a pcb (if you don't have computer with your design in a 
> lab).
> 
> 
> W dniu 03.09.2015 o 21:25, Andy Peters pisze:
>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:06 AM, nnn <nnn4...@o2.pl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some time ago after short discussion on librarians mailing list it was 
>>> decided to change default reference and value fields of footprints and move 
>>> values to F.Fab layer.
>>> I think it was bad decision. I'm asking here to get more opinions.
>> For the value fields, putting them on the Fab layer is fine. As Chris notes, 
>> pretty much nobody prints the values on the board but having them on an 
>> assembly or fab drawing helps the human who’s stuffing the board.
>> 
>> I think having the reference designators on any non-silkscreen layer is a 
>> mistake.  If the ref-des is on the F.Fab layer, your generated Gerbers won’t 
>> have them on the F.SilkS (or B.Silks) layer, but rather on the Fab layer — 
>> and the PCB fab guys will probably bounce your design back because they 
>> won’t know how to make a silkscreen out of stuff on the F.Fab layer, 
>> especially when a silkscreen layer already exists in the package!
>> 
>> And to make matters worse, if you had older parts in your library or a 
>> design which had the ref-deses all on the F.SilkS layer, and you add new 
>> footprints which have the ref-des on the F.Fab layer, your Gerbers will be 
>> all confused, since some parts will show a ref-des on the silkscreen and 
>> some won’t.
>> 
>> I think it’s a matter of expectations: EVERYONE expects the reference 
>> designators to be on a silkscreen layer.
>> 
>> -a
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