On 08/21/2014 04:38 PM, Jon Neal wrote: > Looking from the outside that is very aggressive, harsh, and childish. I > thought you were > stepping away from the project Dick (At least that is what you said a few > weeks ago).
Jon, Your uninformed opinion will have no effect on the SoftPLC policy. In fact, I won't even bring up your opinion at my SoftPLC Corporation's board of director's meeting, nor at the corporation's share holder's meeting. Because I can already anticipate what they would say: "Dick, we invested in your company in order to make a profit. Every minute you spend on KiCad is a minute you are not making product to improve sales and enhance profits and our return on investments. It's clear to us that your recent 41,000 line and 21,000 line patches are unheard of and with Jon's comments, it is clear that they are under appreciated and not instantaneously enhancing corporate goodwill. So there's no justifiable reason, from a business standpoint for you to continue. KiCad is good enough now for our own corporate use. Every minute you spend on KiCad is lost opportunity cost to the corporation." "However, those copyrights in KiCad are our corporate assets. We view them as providing corporate goodwill long term. They establish corporate competency, corporate visibility, and may in the long run lead to other kinds of business. You did the right thing in sending a message that the corporation intends to defend the copyrights rigorously, either inside the project or out. You also put into place a filter which prefers like minded code contributors who know how to be respectful of prior ownership investments and also value their own copyrights and would make good alliance partners in the event of some kind of project wide code theft." "It should be enough that the code is licensed under a license which allows respectful end user use. However, we live in a world where personal and corporate character seem to be deteriorating." "Sending an early warning signal may have allowed the corporation to avoid lawsuits in the future, while at the same time signalling that SoftPLC Corporation is a viable alliance partner in defending the collective KiCad copyrights." "You did the right thing, but its time for you to focus on product development. You have made KiCad sufficiently good for our own internal corporate use, and it is clear your time is better spent focusing on product development." And at that point the most I could say would be, "well Jon thought his point of view was important enough to get thrown off the mailing list. So I owed him that." > Maybe it is best to let more than just yourself offer an opinion on this. See above. > Is there a reason ANY of the code in KiCad is copyright anyone except KiCad > itself? Other > projects I have worked on did not allow copyright by anyone except for the > project itself. See above. Jon, here you have offered an opinion first, and sought knowledge second. Please don't vote that way. As we're seeing in the U.S. now, this can only lead to bad things. You will be let you back on the developer's list in a couple of weeks if you promise to go read about how the GPL works and the importance of corporate sponsors in an open source project. Generally however, this mailing list is for code contributors. Non-contributors who come in here with critical points of view have been thrown out before. The recourse is for the developers to do everything by private email, and I don't think that is what is best for the project. As Cirilo accurately stated, code contributors are ownership share holders in this project. Mere lurkers and users are not, so they have no standing on this mailing list. >> >> Jon Neal >> >> On Aug 21, 2014 9:56 AM, "Dick Hollenbeck" <d...@softplc.com >> <mailto:d...@softplc.com>> > wrote: >>> >>> On 08/21/2014 07:57 AM, Michael Narigon wrote: >>> > OK, thanks for your comment. Michael >>> >>> Actually I'm not done: >>> >>> Neither the KiCad project, nor SoftPLC Corporation will tolerate the >>> removal of copyright >>> messages unless either a) authorized by the copyright holder or b) >>> incorrectly placed in >>> the first place, irrespective of opined legality of such removal. It will >>> not be > tolerated. >>> >>> >>> Historically, it has not been tolerated because it has never before >>> happened. Now that it >>> has happened, this statement needed to be made. >>> >>> >>> Michael has been removed from the project mailing list (after having been >>> given a chance >>> to offer immediate correction), as will anyone who challenges this stance. >>> >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
