On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <[email protected]> wrote: > On 9/12/2011 4:20 PM, hauptmech wrote: >> >> >> On 7/09/2011 11:27 a.m., fabrizio wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> let's sat that we change ctrl-alt-L to Alt-K we still have three more >>> conflicts: P, H, T. >>> >>> the following keys needs to be replaced because they are already >>> assigned to Place, Help and Tool >>> Alt-P >>> Alt-H >>> Alt-T >>> >>> Any suggestion? Once I change these 3 too, the correspondent hotkeys >>> will be different too..... Are we all cool with that? >>> >>> Are we sure that we want to go a head with this? What we are doing >>> here is drawing a difference between hotkeys and accelerators which >>> maybe many future users will not get and which I am not sure we should >>> be doing. >>> >>> cheers >>> Fabrizio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:54 PM, jean-pierre charras >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Le 06/09/2011 11:51, fabrizio a écrit : >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> in attachment you can find the simplest patch I can think of to: >>>>>> 1) add the Alt- to all "Place" menu accelerators >>>>>> 2) leave current hotkeys behaviour unchanged >>>>>> >>>>>> is this whole idea good? >>>>>> >>>>>> ctrl-alt-L needs to be changed (in the hotkey default set up I think) >>>>>> because it makes my system log off ! can we changed it? what do you >>>>>> guys propose? any other hotkey cause conflicts? >>>>> K or O should work. >>>>>> I am not sure it will work in windoz/OSX. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me have some feedback >>>> I forgot: >>>> Hot keys in Kicad sources are just default keys. >>>> do not forget hot keys are editable, >>>> so it can take a while before the best compromise about hot keys is found. >>>> Moreover this compromise must work fine under Linux, Windows, and MacOSX. >>>> Don't give up. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS >> I came late to this conversation and have trouble remembering the >> conclusion of all the various threads of this conversation; but I'm a >> lover of hotkeys so I going to add my thoughts. If I'm covering >> something resolved then it can be ignored for now. >> >> I agree with those that feel that adding a mouse click (tool start) to >> tool selection is bad for those learning kicad through it's menus and >> that listing a hotkey in the menu for something different (<W> or >> whatever) in counter intuitive. >> >> I don't think it's necessary that the power-user Tool-select-plus-start >> hotkey be discoverable through the menus. Being discoverable through the >> hotkey configuration screen is enough. >> >> I also don't think it's necessary that every menu item, even in the >> place menu, have a default hotkey. In fact for kicad to be accessible to >> new users I suggest that only the standard hotkeys be set by default; >> (ctrl-o, ctrl-w, ctr-p, alt-f4, etc). A suggested hotkey setup for power >> users (the existing defaults) can be distributed with kicad and loaded >> once by any present user of the defaults or any user that is interested >> in trying them. > > I'm not sure but once again there seems to be some confusion about the > difference between a hot key and an accelerator. They are _not_ the same > thing > even though people have used the terms interchangeably. Putting the hot key > character (<W>) in the Place->Wire menu item was probably a bad idea which > caused a lot of the confusion. The hot key editor also mixes the two concepts > together which just adds to the confusion and probably should be fixed > accordingly. Pressing the W key has never performed the same action as > selecting the Place->Wire menu item or clicking the wire tool bar button. In > fact for the most part hot keys have completely different code paths than > accelerators. > >> >> I personally would prefer having tool select and tool start not be >> joined. I use hotkeys extensively and start the tool in the wrong spot >> accidentally often enough to be a minor annoyance. I do sympathize with >> those who do like it and think it's a nice feature. > > You can have that without disrupting the existing behavior by assigning an > accelerator to the menu item. The logical way would be to use the same hot > key > letter with a key modifier like Alt+W. This gives you the best of both > worlds. > Pressing W would give you the current hot key behavior and Alt+W would be the > same as selecting the Place->Wire menu entry. This seems like a reasonable > solution to me.
As already discussed it sounds like a good idea. What do you propose for : Alt-P Alt-H Alt-T they are already used. > > Wayne > >> >> Ideally recorded macros would implement whatever wicked combination the >> user wanted to apply. Not practical for kicad at this point. Maybe a >> solution is to have a check-box option for 'auto-start' of each tool in >> the hotkey list. >> >> A modal hotkey list is only partially useful; it usually takes me a >> while to learn my awesome keyboard layouts; more if I don't use the app >> that often. Having the list open while I work (or printed) is a must. If >> we have a html list, why not save it as a file and load it with a web >> browser? >> >> I'll stop there. I have some hotkeys to propose but I'll save that for a >> separate thread. I'm psyched to see any work towards usability and >> hotkey in particular! thx fabrizio! >> >> -hauptmech >> _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
