I would not describe myself as a professional editor, but I do edit video for my clients and also have a long background in pro audio. My contribution would be that it would be a shame to lose the ability to have the choice between splitting the audio or not. Different projects suit different workflows and by losing the combined clip I think Kdenlive would lose some of it's distinctiveness and would be in danger of looking a pale imitation of some of the proprietary offerings. I think '2old2care' talks a great deal of sense and I would support his comments entirely. I can see that having video tracks which could contain audio, but may not always, could be an issue if a mixer is implemented, but could we just have an option to show or hide tracks in the mixer (this could be useful anyway-and quite a few DAWs have this type of feature)? When I first discovered Kdenlive I was very sorry it didn't have an audio mixer but these days I wonder whether it is really necessary! There are so many ways to add effects and change levels to clips and tracks anyway! The features I really need are the ability to add effects to a master audio bus, and to audio subgroups, so I could for instance compress all my dialogue tracks with one compressor on a subgroup, and monitor LUFS loudness on the master bus. I would only need these tracks to appear in the timeline to achieve this, not necessarily in a mixer. The only other audio feature I would like would be support for LV2 plugins, so I could have loudness meters and dynamics processing with gain reduction meters.
I hope I haven't gone off topic too much there, but wanted to make a constructive contribution as I'm afraid I have no coding skills (yet) that might help you. Finally, I thought there were a number of comments on reddit which were rather ignorant and offensive to the Kdenlive team. I quick look at the website would have amply demonstrated what has been achieved and that you clearly know what you are doing. The courteous responses, in the face of this, did the project great credit, well done! Kind regards, Steve On 05/09/2017 07:38:47, Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi there... On the subject of grouping. It would be really nice for Kdenlive to support sub-groups as well. Previously, when grouping a set of groups, the original groupings were lost. When automatically splitting out audio and grouping the split audio and video together it is desirable to preserve the grouping of the audio and video through subsequent groupings and un-groupings. Kind regards, -Evert- On 5 September 2017 at 08:20, j...@dodin.org [mailto:j...@dodin.org] <j...@dodin.org [mailto:j...@dodin.org]> wrote: Le 05/09/2017 à 06:49, farid abdelnour a écrit : If it makes things easier to the devs and therefore make Kdenlive more powerful then I'll vote for going the separate audio/video route. if it makes things *really* easier, for sure. In my experience, having all audio and video shown in one track is easier for beginners, at least connoted to beginners software, but having separate tracks spend more screen space. I work with only one (large) screen and need separate tracks only when I need to work on audio. If, for example, I have only one cam and the included audio, I tend to keep only one track to have a bigger video monitor. the main concern is having audio and video connected. Presently is one needs to sync two audios (or more), it's necessary not only to separate video and audio but also to ungroup audio and video, with the need to manually resync audio and video afterward, not really difficult (align on start), but tedious when needed for many clips thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org [http://dodin.org] -- Evert Vorster Isometrix Acquistion Superchief
