Wow
Its great to see I am not alone. You have obviously gone to a great deal of
effort to get this all working. So I really appreciate the chance to clone
your kde 'lite' environment.
The KDE learning curve is quite substantial. For example It took a while to
figure out there was some sort of plugin system over and above the app
itself then I thought that the plugin system used qt's plugin manager. It
took me a fair while to work out my mistake and then I had to devise a way
around it which led me to discover win7 actually has implemented symbolic
links. Much of this appears to be assumed knowledge my search for answers
proved mostly fruitless or misleading.
Thank you you have re-invigorated me
Chris
On 2/04/2014 6:37 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
Well, you post it as a rant, but I have to agree... The big problem is
that KDE4 is both a platform and a development framework, and the two are
mixed together.
For Krita, I've stopped using the emerge system to get the dependencies,
because it's just too fragile. It's wonderful if you want to setup a
system with more than one kde application, but it didn't work for me for
creatinga single, standalone application that I could package and distribute.
I'm now using a cmake project with a bunch of externals. However, building
all the dependencies takes ages, too, so for my co-workers, I just share
my dev env with them, binary. I am building with msvc 2012, so there is no
pre-built Qt and there is no webkit. Oh, and update-mime-database doesn't
build correctly, so I need a pre-prepared mime directory to package. I
still haven't managed to strip down the oxygen icon set, either, and
that's the biggest part of the download.
I am using a stripped-down kdelibs without dbus, kded, soprano -- and I
probably should cut out attica and so on as well. Part of this will be
solved by kf5, but since kxmlgui still needs dbus, part of it won't, if I
continue to use kxmlgui. Feel free to clone and hack:
http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdelibs%2Frempt%2Fkdelibs-stripped.git
Note that I've hardcoded this kdelibs to store settings in
AppData\Local|Roaming\krita, not .kde, but still there is one or two
things in kde that seems hardcode to .kde.
Also, no dbus means no kioslaves.
Sysoca is pretty much the biggest bug-bear of my life on Windows. Because
krita/calligra actually uses the plugin query language in a lot of places,
I cannot replace it with simply loading all local plugins. If you, for
kmymoney, would just move to the Qt plugin system instead of the KDE one,
you probably would be fine and save a lot of aggravation.
My current dev setup is like this:
c:\dev\desktop32
c:\dev\desktop64
c:\dev\desktop32_d
c:\dev\desktop64_d
i.e., base development directories for 32 and 64 bits builds,
relwithdebinfo and debug.
Inside, I have an i directory where I install everything, and my source
tree, build directories and so on.
Because I've hacked kbuildsycoca and krita's main to look for paths
relative to the exe, instead of environment variables, all these
installations run locally, without setting any environment and without
sharing anything.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2014, Chris wrote:
<rant>
As a developer who is trying to compile and then improve kmymoney on
windows I must say it is the most painful process.
If you want portability for KDE apps you need to uncouple applications
from a lot of the hardcore KDE stuff. Just creating a suitable
environment for building kmymoney has proved exhausting to the point of
wanting to give up. Is it really worth the agro?
I gave up two years ago and I am close to doing so again. What would help
is a way of isolating those libraries that are absolutely necessary AND
make it possible to have both a release copy of an application and a dev
copy running on the same machine. Currently the plugin architecture
forbids it without some serious acrobatics. Why the plugin system can't
load a plugin that is in the same directory as the application I do not
know. Thats the way dll's are loaded. App directory first, shared folders
last. Why do I even need ksycoca4 I'll never know. Are you really trying
to emulate windows registry? one of the worst inventions like ahh ever.
Now I have to get back to the build process it appears a library that I
was able to build last week cant be built this week. seems it cant find a
header file... sighhhh....
Oh and keep moving things to git that's is definately a major improvement.
Did you hear subversion is moving to git.... No wait 1st of April ;)
Chris
</rant>
On 2/04/2014 6:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
On 1 April 2014 20:31, Doug <dmcgarr...@optonline.net> wrote:
In my experience, there are very few KDE programs that work in Windows. I
think the only ones I have are Dolphin, Find Files, and Kate, and I
think,
Solitaire.
Maybe but I think it's not a technical barrier but missing apps need
dedicated mainainers for Windows.
Well, krita, too, but most windows users don't see the KDE part...
Except in the about box, of course. There were technical barriers
though, like stripping out dbus, kded, running kbuildsycoca4 after
install. Other barriers still exist, like translations not working
(except, weirdly enough, for the choose-language dialog box).
Boud
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