On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Mark Knecht posted on Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:04:55 -0800 as excerpted: > >> In a recent update to KDE on my Gentoo machine it seems that a >> second copy of konsole no longer comes up to the side of the existing >> konsole but rather is directly on top. What "More Actions->Special >> Windows Setting" feature might I set so that they come up side-by-side? >> >> Currently nothing seems to be set but that's also true for all >> other apps I've looked at and I do get side-by-side or at least spread >> out for all other apps. (Chrome, Dolphin, etc.) >> >> This is stable KDE on Gentoo - kde-meta-4.11.2-r1 > > (As you probably remember) Gentooer here too, but ~arch by default, and > for kde I run the latest live-branch ebuilds from the gentoo/kde overlay, > so currently (gentoo version) 4.12.49.9999 or (kde) 4.12-live-branch. > > I regularly use side-by-side konsole windows and would find it hugely > disruptive if that failed to work correctly, so I can definitely identify > with your problem! > > Here's my general purpose konsole window rules settings. You won't need > all of these to get side-by-side, but what ones apply to your case should > be reasonably apparent (obviously my active opacity setting doesn't apply > to your case, for instance, but I'm including it in case someone might be > interested). > > > Window matching tab: > > Window class: Exact Match: konsole > Match whole window class *NOT* checked. > > Window role: Substring Match: mainwindow# > > Window types: Normal > > Window title and machine hostname: Unimportant > > That should match konsole main-windows, without matching for example > settings dialogs, etc. > > > Size & Position tab (only listing checked/active): > > Size: Apply Initially: 956,1080 > > Maximized vertically: Force: Yes > > Initial placement: Force: Default > > Minimum size: Force: 956,530 > > Obey geometry restrictions: Force: No > > The one of interest to you here (and probably the only one other than the > window matching tab settings) is initial placement, force, default. I > believe konsole remembers its size and placement and requests the same > thing each time, which obviously isn't what you want since that will put > multiple konsole windows on top of each other. This forces standard > placement, which is normally "Smart", unless you've set kwin to use a > different policy by default. "Smart" attempts to maximize the viewable > area of each window, which is what a lot of people (including me and it > appears you) prefer by default. Of course that means if your default > window placement is NOT "smart", you can specifically select "smart" > instead of "default" to get the desired behavior. > > I set the size options here for one reason: That's what I prefer for a > standard konsole window, but I have a special case (a bash-scripted menu > system implemented in konsole popup windows, which I want smaller, always > centered and always on top... with a special-case window-rules set that > matches JUST those konsole windows, not my general purpose konsole > windows) konsole setting that applies to SOME windows, and because konsole > remembers its last size and position, without the general purpose size > settings here, it would remember the special-case windows and try to use > that size instead. =:^( So I have the size settings here to prevent the > special-case size memory from applying to this general case. =:^) > > And FWIW, I'm running full-HD monitors so 1920x1080, which makes the > initial 956x1080 about half-size horizontal, maximized vertical. Given a > 2 px window frame and two sides thus 4 px of frame horizontally, that's > 960 width, half of 1920, thus fitting two side-by-side windows per > monitor screen. Likewise, the 956x530 minimum size allows for 2x2 > quarter-size placement, with just a bit of vertical titlebar overlap. > > Forcing no-obey geometry restrictions likewise works around the problems > konsole's placement memory triggers due to the special-case konsole > session window size ratio memory interfering with this general case. > > > Arrangement & Access tab: > > (I have no activated settings on this tab.) > > > Appearance and Fixes tab (checked/active only, just one setting): > > Active Opacity: Force: 85% > > My default active window opacity is 99%, but I like just a bit more > transparency for the konsole window. 85% opacity is the best compromise > I've found so far, between the beauty of transparency and the > practicality of actually needing to read the text. (FWIW, my default > inactive opacity is 80%, which works well for my konsole windows too.) > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
As always Duncan, thanks for the answer. Sorry it's taken me so long to reply but I've messed with this a few times over the last couple of days still with no positive & lasting results. I'll certainly keep at it. I don't know what's wrong with KDE controlling konsole here but I swear I think I've done the settings you suggested and I still get inconsistent results. Sometimes it sort of works. Other times it doesn't at all. A third konsole always comes up on top of the second konsole even if I move the second konsole somewhere else. I fear that the KDE upgrade has messed up the settings for this permanently and I'll never get it fixed! We'll see. Cheers, Mark ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde-linux mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-linux. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
