Hi Nicolas,

AFAIK, OpenJUMP already has two layers : one for generic jdbc code, one for
postgis specific code. If you think an intermediate level implementing 
generic
spatial-relative code is needed, go ahead.

As far as database are concerned, another challenge is to offer writable 
drivers.
I tried to implement write capabilities in the 
org.openjump.core.ui.plugin.datastore
package where I also tried to keep generic code and postgis specific 
code separate.
My first idea was that the read/write plugin could replace the read-only 
plugin in
the future, but things are not so simple...
You'll make your own opinion, but if you want to improve the API, maybe 
you'll
also have to consider writing capabilities and transactions.

Michaël

> ok, convinced. go ahead.. ede
>
> On 16.02.2015 21:01, Nicolas Ribot wrote:
>> AFAIK for Geotools, there will be heavy dependences if we want to use it to
>> support several spatial database.
>> The gt-oracle-spatial.jar, for instance, in the latest geotools release
>> depends on at least 10 jars.
>>
>> What I like in the current OJ code is that geometric object retrieval is
>> summarized to its simplest expression:
>> query some metadata tables, build a query to get objects, transform objects
>> at JDBC level directly.
>> For what I see, everything we need is already coded in OJ. With a minor
>> refactoring, same logic can be extended to several spatial databases.
>>
>> My 2 cents ;)
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 20:41, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> on the other hand: could you research existing java APIs first. this
>>> probably exists already in geotools and others and is maintained. if  the
>>> size constraint isn't to bi we could use those.
>>>
>>> ..ede
>>>
>>> On 16.02.2015 19:57, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> ok, a reusable API then. sure, go ahead.. Mike? Larry? ..ede
>>>>
>>>> On 16.02.2015 19:45, Nicolas Ribot wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure to understand your question.
>>>>> I was thinking about about adding base classes in OJ core to allow easy
>>>>> spatial database support.
>>>>> PostGIS support would stay in core, and other supports could be either
>>> in
>>>>> extension or in core if JAR licensing allows it.
>>>>>
>>>>> DB Query could stay as a standalone extension at beginning and be
>>>>> integrated to core DB support later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nico
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 19:32, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> would it make sense to bundle efforts and create the on that rules all
>>> db
>>>>>> access for OJ, meaning to take the best from DB Query and Postgis
>>>>>> datasource and make that into an extension?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is a lot of functionality already there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..ede
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16.02.2015 19:21, Nicolas Ribot wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think it would be interesting to have a more generic spatial
>>>>>>> databases vector format support in OJ ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Playing with DataStore classes to support Oracle Spatial, I saw that
>>> it
>>>>>>> could be implemented with few efforts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of spatial databases tend to adhere to OGC Simple Features
>>>>>>> Specifications for SQL.
>>>>>>> They are accessible through a JDBC Driver providing information about
>>>>>>> database metadata (tables, columns, indexes, primary keys, etc.).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AFAIU, supporting a spatial database involves these steps:
>>>>>>> • Retrieving list of spatial tables (through OGC catalog or equivalent
>>>>>>> metadata query: could also be done with JDBC DatabaseMetadata by
>>> looking
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> columns types: maybe an option in the DataStore Layer: "list only
>>>>>>> registered tables" or "list all geometric tables")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • Retrieving name, srid, maybe geo type of the tables' geo columns
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • Retrieving tables extents with a metadata query or a custom query
>>> if MD
>>>>>>> unavailable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • Loading geometric objects and converting them to OJ model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking about base classes
>>>>>>> (org.openjump.core.ui.plugin.datastore.spatialdatabases) implementing
>>>>>> core
>>>>>>> functionalities (DatabaseMetadata stuff and queries) and subclasses
>>>>>>> providing custom information (JDBC properties, default schema, custom
>>>>>>> queries, etc.) for each supported database.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DB Query plugin showed us that Oracle, Spatialite and MySQL spatial
>>>>>> objects
>>>>>>> can be efficiently loaded into OJ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was thinking adding support for Oracle Spatial (POC code available
>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> SpatialDatabasesPlugin), MySQL/MariaDB, SQL Server, Spatialite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nicolas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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