Hi Larry, since "Tool>Warp>Affine transformation" works only if somebody has defined parameters aon "Tool>Warp>Warping toolbox" (source layer, vectors, etc), is it possible to have the first has a button on the second? I understand all the question about warping vs transformation but the tendency of many users is not to care about it and to consider the Affine transformasion inside of the large family of warping (conscious that I am wrating a mistake as big as a rhino!)
regards Peppe --- Ven 27/2/09, Larry Becker <becker.la...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Da: Larry Becker <becker.la...@gmail.com> > Oggetto: Re: [JPP-Devel] AffineTransform vs AffineTransformation > A: "OpenJump develop and use" <jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > Data: Venerdì 27 febbraio 2009, 21:28 > On the other hand, you could go with simply > "Transform" as the new name for > Warp. > > Larry > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Larry Becker > <becker.la...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > There doesn't seem to me to be a way to improve > the current menu wording > > that doesn't introduce additional confusion. The > Affine Transform under > > Warp is associated with the Warping toolbox, so moving > it somewhere else > > would make discovering that linked functionality > difficult. > > > > Larry > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Stefan Steiniger > <sst...@geo.uzh.ch>wrote: > > > >> mhm.. I think I need to look into what the > different things exactly do, > >> before I can give a comment. > >> > >> stefan > >> > >> Michaël Michaud wrote: > >> > Larry Becker a écrit : > >> >> There is a bit of confusion about these > tools. Unless I'm mistaken, > >> >> warping is not the same as affine > transform unless the number of > >> >> vectors is between 1 and 3. That is why > the Affine Transform under > >> >> warping does not enable unless those > conditions are met. Warping uses > >> >> triangulation. > >> > For sure, > >> > In fact, my first idea was exactly the one > proposed by Peppe. Then, I > >> > thought > >> > 1) it be may be a bit tricky to include > AffineTransform smoothly into > >> > warping panel with constraints on the number > of vectors and good > >> explanation > >> > 2) it may be a bit confusing as even with 3 > vectors or less, warping do > >> > not give the same result as affine transform > >> > That's why I just proposed to improve > AffineTransform to make it usable > >> > even by people who do not know warping tool > >> > At the moment, both tools are in the Warp > submenu > >> >> The New Affine Transformation is another > way of doing it without the > >> >> need for vectors. So I would say: no it > should not go under the Warp > >> >> menu because it does not warp as I > understand the term (it is also > >> >> sometimes referred to as > rubber-sheeting). > >> > You're certainly right about warp > meaning. The quick search I did about > >> > it gave me a french word having a wider > meaning (deformer = deforming > >> > ?), but I agree that putting AffineTransform > inside "Warp" submenu may > >> > be confusing for english users. > >> > On the other hand, at the moment, there is > one AffineTransform is in the > >> > Warp menu and a New Affine Transformation in > the editing menu, which, I > >> > think, is even more confusing (hum, in fact I > already put the "New > >> > Affine Transform" in the Warp menu) > >> > What do you think about changing the term > Warp of the submenu into > >> > another more appropriate word, and include > "Warping", "Affine Transform > >> > from vectors", AffineTransform from > parameters" into it ? > >> > > >> > Michaël > >> >> best regards, > >> >> Larry > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Giuseppe > Aruta > >> >> <giuseppe_ar...@yahoo.it > <mailto:giuseppe_ar...@yahoo.it>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi again, > >> >> > Sorry for the previous mail, I > finally found > >> >> > AffineTransformationPlugIn > >> >> > in editing menu (I should have > read peppe's doc !). > >> >> > I think its place is in the > warping menu with the other > >> >> > interactive > >> >> > warping tool. I'll change it > if everybody agrees. > >> >> > >> >> that must be an old proposal about > it, since last year (somewhere > >> >> in the wikis). I completely agree > with you to move this tool into > >> >> the wraping menus. > >> >> One extra proposal. On actual wraping > menu one item ("wraping") > >> >> opens the waraping toolbar, the other > item ("affine > >> >> transformation") simply runs an > affine transformation after all > >> >> parameters (vectors, source and mask > layers) are set on the > >> >> wraping toolbar. > >> >> This way makes a bit confusion, I > think . I prefer to see the > >> >> "affine trabsformation" > item as a button on the wraping toolbar, > >> >> not as an item on the tool menu > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> > >> >> Peppe > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Passa a Yahoo! 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