Hey,

In the "for dummies" collection, "geodesy for dummies", from adrian, 
will surely become a best seller :-)

Michael

Adrian Custer a écrit :

>On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 10:46 -0700, Jody Garnett wrote:
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>>Edgar Soldin wrote:
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>>>just one question .. what is this bursa wolf parameter option?
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>>My impression is that this is scary math I never quite understood. The 
>>javadocs describe it all detail (and have links to papers etc..).
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>Well, Bursa was a 9 year old bicyclist from the Alps and...no, no, no, i
>lie. Actually it's not particularly scary math and quite easy to
>understand. All you really need to remember is that no one has ever been
>to the center of the earth. 
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>So everyone started surveying (mostly so the repressive central
>governments could exploit taxes from people and have lots of jolly wars
>where people could slog through the mud and kill each other so they'd be
>blood and suffering for all). Each group started from some random place
>on the surface of the earth. Right away, it becomes obvious to everyone
>that euclidean rules don't work so well. Some didn't care so much since
>taxes are basically arbitrary anyway and getting serious about it means
>you'd have to walk through fields and woods and get lots of mud on your
>shoes. Others kept at it and resorted to spherical geometry. Once you
>start doing that precisely and at continental scales you realize that
>doesn't really work either so you decide to try the next hardest thing,
>an ellipsoid of rotation. Now how do you know which one to choose? Well
>you pick one that minimizes your squared errors. All good and nice but
>(1) you are surveying the ground which is anything but an ellipsoid
>since it has all those ditches you keep falling into and that keep
>getting your clothes covered in mud and (2) you are not perfect
>especially with all that mud on your paper. So you have a bunch of
>errors. Well everyone that does this comes up with lots of different
>ellipsoids that work really nice for their data and everyone is sure
>they clearly have found the 'one true ellipsoid' and they decide to use
>that for all their work. Then everyone guesses where they actually are
>on each of their particular ellipsoids which involves lots of going
>outside at night and looking up from the mud at the stars. But then it's
>not like the edges of each survey was nice and level on these ellipsoids
>either --- think of the eastern USA. You can start nice and clean and
>warm and dry at an inn in Boston on the edge of the sea drinking clam
>chowder and having a good time but a few months later it will be bitter,
>bitter cold in that tiny town of Denver because you are somewhere like a
>mile high up in the air and you're wet and covered in mud from slogging
>through the plains in a snowstorm. So you've got a pretty good idea that
>your data is on a major slant but, well, you'll do your best to make up
>for it but it really doesn't help the effort any, especially what with
>all that mud that's still itching in your hair. So your errors may be a
>wee bit big but hey it's all right: it's good enough to wage lots of
>good wars with lots of mud and blood and to keep collecting lots of
>taxes so no one cares too much. 
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>Fast forward to more recent times where some people want to talk to lots
>of different governments and work with lots of different data. They take
>everyone's guess and try to line them up. Well it turns out, when you
>try to line everything up, that the center points of all the different
>ellipses aren't really the same points and even the orientation of the
>three axes are all a bit off because of how everyone guessed where their
>were on their ellipsoids. So now, to go from one data set to another so
>they line up "the best," you need estimates of how much to rotate each
>of the axes and how to shift the center point around; all this beyond
>even the obvious stuff of changing between the different definition of
>all those "one true" ellipsoids.
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>When you do this mathematically, you need a bunch of parameters: these
>now have the names of the wolf and the bursa. Generally, you can only
>come up with good parameters if you have lots of data to compare and
>some good software to do the comparing. That's what the EPSG did for
>everyone. The guys in the pickup trucks that went out looking for oil
>kept falling into ditches along the way and getting mud on their faces
>but when they got back to the office they had a good sense of what lined
>up with what and could say: "yep, that hill there is the same as this
>squiggle here and there's this big ditch right here that cost us our
>third flat tire and..." So they collected as much data as they could and
>compared it and came up with a database of parameters by which you go
>from one data set to another. So that's it. That's why we use their
>data; we don't have to fall in any ditches and can avoid getting mud on
>our clothes. They give us their parameters and we can mostly line up
>data from one survey against data from another. But you do need some
>good parameters because the earlier folk had a harder time of the mud
>and the data they created don't just line up the way we would like them
>to.
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>Actually doing the math is a bit harder but the concept is pretty
>straight forward: geographic data all ultimately gets tied into points
>on the earth surface and that requires estimating where the points
>really are and how they line up on the estimated ellipsoid being used.
>That in turn means none of ellipsoids quite line up and we need
>parameters to move between them.
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>--adrian
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