> Perhaps just this, then:
>
>     $("#fck").ckeditor()
>     CKEDITOR.on( 'instanceReady', function(event) {
>         // your code here
>     });
>
> It's worth a try in any case.

so I tried that and of course I get CKEDITOR not defined ...
so I figure ot I'll wait for I try it this way
        $('#fck').ckeditor();
        var wait = setTimeout(function() {
                if( $.ckeditor.instance("fck")) {
                        var editor = $.ckeditor.instance("fck");
                        editor.document.on("keyup",function(e){
                                alert("keyup");
                        });
                        clearTimeout(wait);
                        }
        }, 2000);
and this works because it waits for the editor to load but it seems to
me there should be a better way

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