BTW, for those who don't know, there is an IRC channel too: irc.freenode.net #jquery
On Jan 14, 6:33 pm, Ricardo Tomasi <ricardob...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure a newbies list would help. They wouldn't help each other > much, lol :) Seriously, it would be another list for us to join, and I > bet a lot of the participants in here wouldn't care about it. Just use > the 'daily digest' option and don't read what you don't want to, > that's what I do. > > - ricardo > > On Jan 14, 3:44 pm, "Rick Faircloth" <r...@whitestonemedia.com> wrote: > > > You and I both know, Charlie, from this group and especially from CF-Talk > > > that there are ways to do "encouraging education" and then there are ways > > > to commit "discouraging education." It's all in the tone of the reply. > > > Personally, I think it's time for jQuery to take the route of CF-Talk > > > and begin a jQuery beginners list, as well. It's hard for one list to serve > > > the needs of such a wide range of experience and competence. > > > Experienced users get frustrated with repeated basic questions, and > > beginners > > > get frustrated with the lack of understanding and patience with their needs. > > > If there is a list for "jQuery-Newbies-en"., then anyone who signs up for > > > that list knows what kind of interaction and questions to expect. > > > For jQuery to survive and thrive in the long-run, the community must make > > > beginners feel welcome. Even using the resources of a community, such as > > the > > > docs, takes some time for beginners to figure out and understand. > > Especially > > > since the docs have been a little sketchy on explanation and helping someone > > > brand new to concepts understand the implications and what's written > > "between > > > the lines of code." > > > So, bring on the new "jQuery-Newbies-en" list! > > > Rick > > > From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Charlie Griefer > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:33 AM > > To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [jQuery] Re: In this code, what would $(this) in the success part > > refer to? > > > but educating someone in how to ask a good question really -is- helping > > them :) > > >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:24 AM, donb <falconwatc...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > I don't know what can be more discouraging that the standard 'use > > google' or 'that question has been asked/answered too many times' > > discussion. Folks, this is a discussion forum. People range from > > novice to expert. The experts eventually get tired of answering a > > novice question and get testy about it. And it invariable degrades > > into name-calling. Besides, searching for 'this' will be a futile > > exercise because the word is just too common.. > > > Searching is only going to be successful when you can formulate a good > > search query. But as pointed out, there usually are a bunch of > > 'answers' that may be misleading, create further questions, are just > > wrong, or they may appear to be nonapplicable for some reason. Even > > when the answer is found, it may not be recognized. The documentation > > is not perfect and I find the examples are often quite trivial and > > sometimes ambiguous. And often we have people whose primary language > > is not English and they may struggle (or fail) to translate those > > answers into their own language. (Yes, I know this is the jQuery- > > English forum) > > > There's no need to lecture anyone on 'proper' use of the forum, > > particularly when the lecture/lecturer also goes contrary to decent > > and/or proper use of the forum. As has been shown above, the effort > > it takes to lecture typically far exceeds the effort it takes to > > assist. > > > Still a good motto: 'if you can't say something nice then don't say > > anything at all.' > > > -- > > I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my > > wife. And I wish you my > > kind of success.
