Indeed Rey, that's what i call in my approximate English "judgement on alleged intents" which is unfair and brings hard feelings_ (it's typical symptom of paranoia if you want to return the favor to Stephan :)). Yet IMO the facts harshly presented by Stephan are to be heard. To compare apples with apples , the homepage should display the pack size by default, and offer the gzip instructions as an add on. This is because the audience now takes filesize as a very important argument (Not me personally: i understand the value of small file size, but below 100k minified, it's perfectly fine to me as long as the framework holds its promisses - and jquery is a blessing in that regard, but that's my personal position - i don't claim to speak God's truth (i leave that to my wife :) )).
-----Original Message----- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rey Bango Sent: vendredi 14 septembre 2007 22:20 To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: Downloading 1.2 minified, getting 46kb instead of 14kb ??!? Being called "underhanded" or saying that the team intentionally mislead people isn't something that I'm comfortable with. Rey... Alexandre Plennevaux wrote: > Personally, i think Stephen has a point. I don't see any reason for > disappointment in this, but the min size should be taken as a reference. > On a side note, on the human level, let's not judge each other on > alleged intents ("procès d'intentions" in French). It brings nothing > else than bad feelings and is completely not constructive. And we are > all here to construct, now, aren't we? > > -----Original Message----- > From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Stephan Beal > Sent: vendredi 14 septembre 2007 21:43 > To: jQuery (English) > Subject: [jQuery] Re: Downloading 1.2 minified, getting 46kb instead > of 14kb ??!? > > > On Sep 14, 4:46 pm, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think "underhanded" is a little harsh and I'm not sure John Resig, >> who is the one who put that up there, was attempting to do anything wrong. > > Perhaps "misleading" is a better term than "underhanded", but only > slighlty so. It would be poor form to upload 1.2 and say "only 46kb", > after 1.1.x's claim to fame was "only 21kb". Everyone would think that > code bloat had set in. But claiming that jQuery is now 14k is highly > misleading - it definitely is not 14k unless the user takes (and is > able to take) extra measures to ensure that he gets that space savings. > >> Considering how involved you are on the list and knowing how much >> effort everyone on the project puts into the jQuery, I'm a little >> disappointed that you would make such remarks. > > Just as disappointed as i was to see the "only partially true" link > which claims that jQuery 1.2 is 14k. > > jQuery 1.2 (minified) is 46kb, and that's that. It can only be shrunk > down with extra client-side support. Not everyone has the technical > know-how for how to get it shrunk down. Not everyone has the > administrative access to change their .htaccess (and those who can may > not have access to mod_deflate or mod_gzip - my hoster doesn't offer > them, for example). And those who are running under ASP/IIS > environments might not have any option at all for compression. For > them, jQuery 1.2 is 46kb. Likewise for people working from local HTML files, without an intermediary web server. > > The link on the home page claiming that jQ 1.2 is 14kb is going to > cause a large number of posts to this list, just like this thread, > asking if the size discrepancy is a bug. My answer is, "yes, it's a > bug on the home page, where it is misleadingly labeled as 14kb." That > said, i'll stop responding to those posts and will let others point > the confused users to the proper entry in the FAQ. > > Ce message Envoi est certifié sans virus connu. > Analyse effectuée par AVG. > Version: 7.5.485 / Base de données virus: 269.13.18/1007 - Date: > 13/09/2007 > 21:48 > > > Ce message Envoi est certifié sans virus connu. Analyse effectuée par AVG. Version: 7.5.485 / Base de données virus: 269.13.18/1007 - Date: 13/09/2007 21:48
